Comments for Federal judge in NO overturns moratorium at http://www.theind.com , comment 1 to 28 out of 20 comments http://www.theind.com Fri, 24 May 2013 05:48:59 +0100 FeedCreator 1.7.3 http://www.theind.com/news/indreporter/6457-federal-judge-in-no-overturns-moratorium#comment-8503 Favorite Quote of the Week: Former Labor Secretary Robert Reich (Democrat) panned Obama's Oval office address in his Christian Science Monitor blog: If you watched with the sound off you might have thought he was giving a lecture on the history of the Interstate Highway System. - Ariana Puffington Fri, 25 Jun 2010 21:24:09 +0100 http://www.theind.com/news/indreporter/6457-federal-judge-in-no-overturns-moratorium#comment-8502 Just Wait "La. didn't and won't vote for Obama regardless of his choices." -------------------- From the polls, it appears the other 49 states have moved this way too. - Ariana Puffington Fri, 25 Jun 2010 21:18:16 +0100 http://www.theind.com/news/indreporter/6457-federal-judge-in-no-overturns-moratorium#comment-8485 SOMEONE GIVE, " WRITTIN BY JUST WAIT, A DRUGSCREEN ! - HARDHAT. Thu, 24 Jun 2010 22:01:21 +0100 http://www.theind.com/news/indreporter/6457-federal-judge-in-no-overturns-moratorium#comment-8475 "Six months of no drilling with the related unemployment? Now that's a recipe for good politics--if you are an idiot." A Puff, It's not 6 months of no drilling, not even close. It's 6 months of no drilling in deep-water; there's over 7k unaffected leases. Somehow, somehow they'll find ways to keep on drilling and spilling. The moratorium is certainly Not bad politics. La. didn't and won't vote for Obama regardless of his choices. This admin. knows that the majority of the nation agrees with the moratorium, which means it's actually good politics. And common sensical. Either the N.O. judge will get overturned on appeal, or the new moratorium language being worked up to "spell out the obvious" will stick. Either way, we'll be sticking a fork in deep-water drilling for a few months, you can be sure. - Just Wait Thu, 24 Jun 2010 13:24:36 +0100 http://www.theind.com/news/indreporter/6457-federal-judge-in-no-overturns-moratorium#comment-8474 Resident "Come on, you really think the moratorium was called for without reasonable justification?" -------------------------------- Me and judge do. But the judge has a more say so, and I would bet on the judge. Six months of no drilling with the related unemployment? Now that's a recipe for good politics--if you are an idiot. - Ariana Puffington Thu, 24 Jun 2010 12:48:18 +0100 http://www.theind.com/news/indreporter/6457-federal-judge-in-no-overturns-moratorium#comment-8470 Resident I can't really agree that both Dems and Repubs are “in on the game equally”. To wit, the entire, yes, the Entire Repub party at the nat'l and state level have all packed up and moved to the dark caves of GlennBeckistan. Name the Repubs who have said anything remotely coherent, hell, I'd settle for lucid, about a sensible energy policy in the last 9 years. From Cheney's closed door, sealed records meetings with the big energy players in Y2k until now, the entire R party is one giant, vacuous hole of vapidness encompassing wholesale global warming denial to outright discouragement of energy conservation. Not even Collins and Snowe are able to be moderate anymore. McCain has become a very pitiful man. Actually, Obama's Transportation Secretary Lahood comes to mind as a sensible Repub. Pretty doggone sad state of affairs, and that's putting it mildly. Are there Dems beholden to the big energy players? Of course there are, many of them in fact. La.'s own Landrieu leads the pack. But there are many nat'l Dems who have, and who continue to work hard on changing our national energy consumption patterns to cleaner alternatives than 'all fossil fuel, all the time', and many, many more who would and will vote for sensible change. Or at the very least, starting down the path of sensible change. That's many, many as in majorities of Dems in both the U.S. House and Senate. So no, there's surely no equivalency between Repubs and Dems on energy policy. The Dems aren’t perfect, and the 2-party system surely is not perfect, and it’s easy to be cynical nearly beyond care these days, but I can’t and won’t buy that false equivalency at the present. And A Puff, Threats, gulags, bans and now the police? Your authoritarian beliefs are in full bloom. Come on, you really think the moratorium was called for without reasonable justification? You can’t think of anything unprecedented that just happened, and is continuing to happen, that perhaps, maybe, possibly might be reasonable justification? Yes, I know that’s what the judge in N.O. said, but we’ll see how the appeal process goes soon enough. - Just Wait Thu, 24 Jun 2010 11:27:50 +0100 http://www.theind.com/news/indreporter/6457-federal-judge-in-no-overturns-moratorium#comment-8469 written by Just Wait , June 23, 2010 what happened to my 2nd comment I posted last night? ---------------------------------- Wow, must have been bad. If you really want to be edited, try the Daily Disappointment. Of course, there hard copy circulation is limited to nursing homes, mostly in the Alzheimer units. - Ariana Puffington Thu, 24 Jun 2010 09:56:12 +0100 http://www.theind.com/news/indreporter/6457-federal-judge-in-no-overturns-moratorium#comment-8466 written by Just Wait A Puff So far, you've (almost) threatened the president, promoted tossing someone in the gulag for political speech, and promoted a ban on something you disagree with. ---------------------------------- Your membership in the political correctness police is approved. Also, you should get with Resident and talk about paradigms. Nonetheless, if any President can place a moratorium without reasonable justification, then why bother with rule of law or democracy for that matter? - Ariana Puffington Thu, 24 Jun 2010 09:16:09 +0100 http://www.theind.com/news/indreporter/6457-federal-judge-in-no-overturns-moratorium#comment-8465 Just Wait, I'm with you mostly. Fossil fuel industries (and chemical industries and others) certainly do privatize profits and externalize the costs, effectively socializing them. Funny thing is, you won't hear that from Republicans or Democrats because they're all in on the game. They're fine with the "narrative" of socialism and conservatism, blah blah that's perpetrated on the MSM. If we took one fifth of what we spend on global military hegemony and spent that on transforming our energy paradigm into something largely made up of renewables while still using some oil and coal (we always will use some), that would be a smart long-term solution. But long-term solutions are not possible with our current shallow, vapid, inane political structure (just look at A. Puffington for a symptom of that). I don't think you are saying the oil field workers should be left in the dust. After all, we're all trying to get by and that is the big employer around here. But a serious transition in our energy paradigm and diversification of the economy is the way to go, and oil field workers would be a part of that. It doesn't do any good to stick our head in the sand and cling to the dinosaur of fossil fuels when there is real potential for energy independence with far less environmental impact. - Resident Thu, 24 Jun 2010 06:43:15 +0100 http://www.theind.com/news/indreporter/6457-federal-judge-in-no-overturns-moratorium#comment-8461 Of all you couillions posting on this matter, i would think one of you has experience in the oil industry, not much, maybe a few 14 and 14 as galley hands.....The posts on this site relect the non-sensical ranting of some couillions born with a silver spoon in their mouth, and holding onto ya Mama's skirt hem, still living at home and delivering pizza for Domino's............ - HARDHAT Wed, 23 Jun 2010 21:21:53 +0100 http://www.theind.com/news/indreporter/6457-federal-judge-in-no-overturns-moratorium#comment-8459 A Puff Plenty of cities around the world are experimenting with and implementing, gasp, bans on the (automobile) wheel from parts of their cities. Walkable, bike-ridable cities are where it's at these days, didn't you know? By the way, basically all trains are electric, and, once again, electricity can be had from other than petroleum products. So far, you've (almost) threatened the president, promoted tossing someone in the gulag for political speech, and promoted a ban on something you disagree with. Too predictable. - Just Wait Wed, 23 Jun 2010 16:14:51 +0100 http://www.theind.com/news/indreporter/6457-federal-judge-in-no-overturns-moratorium#comment-8457 JUST WAIT "Break the automobile, tire and rubber and highway lobbies and get us some clean leavin' trains!" -------------------------- Sounds good man. But why trains? They need power too. I say, horse and buggies are the way to go. And then, maybe push carts would be better. Oh, what the hell, ban the wheel now! - Ariana Puffington Wed, 23 Jun 2010 15:47:18 +0100 http://www.theind.com/news/indreporter/6457-federal-judge-in-no-overturns-moratorium#comment-8456 RCajunRunner, We can play tit for tat all day: 11 families changed forever due to the death of their family members; many, many fishermen, shrimpers, oystermen, hotel/motel owners, charter boat operators, restauranteurs etc. put out of business due to, again, sheer out-of-control recklessness of big oil. The death and destruction of innumerable wildlife, with likely the loss of entire species. Same goes for the wetlands fauna. The oil companies had no plan, and no idea after more than 2 months, of how to handle a deep-water drilling spill. And you want to allow them to carry on without so much as a pause to see where the core of the problem, and future solutions, lay? You honestly think BP is the only one this could have happened to? Get your head out of the sand, hoss. I've acknowledged some jobs will be lost due to the moratorium. How many? There's no way to know, because the oil companies and their entire chorus of backers will exaggerate that # beyond recognition. They're big enough and flexible enough to shift resources to drill their other non-deep-water projects. Who's talking about gov't. assistance? I've specifically mentioned not allowing the oil companies to socialize the costs. In this case, those who truly do lose a job due to the moratorium should to be compensated by the BP $20B escrow account. Grow that account as appropriate. As for electric trains and bike/walking paths requiring large amts. of petroleum-based products: nah, not so much. Did you know electricity can be generated without natural gas or coal? I know you did, just kidding. Anyway, try wind, solar, geothermal.... I'm pretty sure a nation who put a man on the moon can figure out how to get these going on a large, economical scale; except, wait for it, guess who's in the way? Oops, big oil! And of course, those paths that we can bike and walk upon can be made of other non-petroleum based material than asphalt. - Just Wait Wed, 23 Jun 2010 15:44:14 +0100 http://www.theind.com/news/indreporter/6457-federal-judge-in-no-overturns-moratorium#comment-8455 Only 33 deepwater rigs, JustWait. Oh, well then, I'm relieved. That's only going to affect a few thousand jobs, couple hundred per rig. Who needs those service companies to stay busy here in Louisiana anyway? Better off they go work away from their families off the coasts of Africa and the Middle East. And more people on unemployment and getting on government assistance. Can never have too much of that during a recession. Truth is, the oil & gas industry is one of the few, maybe the only, reason Louisiana and the Gulf Coast have whethered this recession better than most around the country. You want electric cable cars, more biking and walking paths? Awesome, so do I. Those are good, clean things. Guess what, all three will still require great amounts of petroleum-based products! - RCajunRunner Wed, 23 Jun 2010 14:48:20 +0100 http://www.theind.com/news/indreporter/6457-federal-judge-in-no-overturns-moratorium#comment-8454 RCajunRunner, you do know that the moratorium will affect only 33 deep water rigs, and will NOT affect 7,000 leases in the Gulf, right? Somehow, somehow, big oil will survive. Will some lose their jobs? Likely, (and only temporarily, probably), but the jobs lost over this moratorium will pale in comparison to the jobs lost in the fishing (shrimping, oystering...) and tourist industry due to the sheer, out-of-control recklessness of the oil industry. Not just jobs lost, but entire ways of living, cultures even. And what, you can't take a little socialism talk? You thought that word was only reserved for Obama for proposing to bail-out the economy which was turned upside down in the ditch when he came into office, courtesy of deregulation policies started by Reagan and continued through Bush, Jr.? Sorry, but the oil industry, in fact all large multi-national corporations, but especially the extraction industries, are the very embodiment of socialism. Privatize the gains, and what gains they are! Socialize the costs, and what costs they are!! Destroy wetlands, destroy cultures, blow off mountain-tops and choke the rivers in the valley; you name it, they're doing it and not paying a dime for it. I for one don't want cheap gasoline. Raise the cost of gasoline to its true price that includes the price of the aforementioned 'externalities', and then invest in public transportation. Break the automobile, tire and rubber and highway lobbies and get us some clean leavin' trains! Heck, electric cable cars down Johnston. Safe, shaded biking and walking paths through the heart of town. - Just Wait Wed, 23 Jun 2010 13:41:37 +0100 http://www.theind.com/news/indreporter/6457-federal-judge-in-no-overturns-moratorium#comment-8453 JUST WAIT. Your disregard for those workers and your "oil industry is socialism" talk sounds much like the Leftist Mike Stagg who was on KPEL this morning. ------------------------- Nationalize Mike Stagg and send him to Gulag now! - Ariana Puffington Wed, 23 Jun 2010 13:34:15 +0100 http://www.theind.com/news/indreporter/6457-federal-judge-in-no-overturns-moratorium#comment-8452 written by Puffington watcher Why is the Independent letting Puffington imply physical threats against the President? ---------------------- Imply? I was inferring ;-) - Ariana Puffington Wed, 23 Jun 2010 13:31:07 +0100 http://www.theind.com/news/indreporter/6457-federal-judge-in-no-overturns-moratorium#comment-8451 I'm glad you want to see thousands of Louisiana and Gulf Coast workers out of the job and on the unemployement rolls, JUST WAIT. Your disregard for those workers and your "oil industry is socialism" talk sounds much like the Leftist Mike Stagg who was on KPEL this morning. - RCajunRunner Wed, 23 Jun 2010 12:55:40 +0100 http://www.theind.com/news/indreporter/6457-federal-judge-in-no-overturns-moratorium#comment-8448 what happened to my 2nd comment I posted last night? - Just Wait Wed, 23 Jun 2010 10:32:20 +0100 http://www.theind.com/news/indreporter/6457-federal-judge-in-no-overturns-moratorium#comment-8443 It's taken 40 years of drilling to get to where we are today. Secretary Ken Salazar is ready to impose another moratorium. They still need to determine why the oil spill happened. Do we have 40 years to play catch-up-the-government? I am all for setting up some assurances and for proceeding cautiously. But, guess what? Nothing is ever a sure thing except perhaps the loss of thousands of jobs, this time in Louisiana. Why can't they just proceed with drilling, CAUTIOUSLY? - Think Bigger Wed, 23 Jun 2010 07:51:22 +0100