Comments for C'est What o' the day at http://www.theind.com , comment 1 to 28 out of 20 comments http://www.theind.com Tue, 21 May 2013 21:35:57 +0100 FeedCreator 1.7.3 http://www.theind.com/news/indreporter/8118-cest-what-of-the-day#comment-16692 Aw, this is not fun, I'm not backing up, been there. I'll just wait at the corner.. - NORTHSIDIAN SHOTGUN Sun, 17 Apr 2011 21:48:41 +0100 http://www.theind.com/news/indreporter/8118-cest-what-of-the-day#comment-16672 There were four misspelt words in these postings of mine: corrigenda [Latin, "that which is to be corrected"] *christiany, *histility, *flasehood & *alo for "christianity," "hostility," "falsehood," & "also" respectively. I want to thank NORTHSIDIAN SHOTGUN for pointing out one of these. Not bad for an editor, he has a 25% competency rate. - Gaius Cilnius Maecenas Fri, 15 Apr 2011 21:04:08 +0100 http://www.theind.com/news/indreporter/8118-cest-what-of-the-day#comment-16670 My brilliant post was lost! I actually worked on it for an hour. Vae victis! [Latin, "Woe to the vanquished"] ragin_cajun, I should be ready for you soon. I trust you have accessed the following links: http://ohb.berkeley.edu/theory and method.htm (five articles to read) http://rosett.reltech.org/TC/vol107/Weis2002.html This 12 page article will teach you about various sort of classical texts' editions: critical, diplomatic, descriptive, prescriptive, collative and eclectic. You will see with your eyes what a competent text looks like that scholars consult for commentary & exegesis. http://www.search.eb.com/eb/article-58834 This is Professor E. J. Kenny's "Textual Criticism" (2005). He is a brilliant classical scholar. I have not forgotten your main interest: When was the Ten Commandments pericope inserted into Deuteronomy, and assimilated by scribal harmonization in Exodus? Stone Laws! Alo, a more careful treatment of the three great scribal schools of Jewish ancient & medieval learning: Babylonian, Palestinian & Tiberian schools [manuscript work-stations and production centers]. Also, your interest in a more precise understanding of the four exiles of the Jewish people: 1 Assyrian & 3 Babylonian exiles! What do you think of NORTHSIDIAN SHOTGUN's spiteful doggerel? Is it not deliciously stupid? I hope this effort posts! - Gaius Cilnius Maecenas Fri, 15 Apr 2011 19:11:01 +0100 http://www.theind.com/news/indreporter/8118-cest-what-of-the-day#comment-16657 Maescan't, you suck hind teat, and there you'll stay you rant and rave and then you bray your brain seems drug-mixed fully cooked you constantly bitch, you're so mistook your logic is always taken from a book you swallow lines, bait and hook Adios, & Ciao Chump Lam this and Va La Mete Try to get this thru your tete Mind games with you is ultra passe` I'm goin fishin, " Walter enjoy your day - NORTHSIDIAN SHOTGUN Fri, 15 Apr 2011 05:02:50 +0100 http://www.theind.com/news/indreporter/8118-cest-what-of-the-day#comment-16653 I repeat couillion Maescan't, you are studying "Fiction ", is not that, Stupid ? The Catholic religion with its lecherous pedophile priests is the wealthiest NPO in the world, and the $ 15,000,000.00 synagogues with marble toilets, and Ivory $ Gold chalice's are the 2nd. wealthiest in the world, and their temples like the Catholic Temples, make a Sultan's Palace look ike a Rest Area, in Uganda. If you sell everyone of these, gaudy pseudo houses of God, you could feed every hungry person on this earth for 100 years, but forget that, the market is bad at the moment. Maescan't, " Speech mask inner *histility, pray tell what is that word, *hisitility ? I googled "histility, Duh ? - NORTHSIDIAN SHOTGUN Thu, 14 Apr 2011 20:58:02 +0100 http://www.theind.com/news/indreporter/8118-cest-what-of-the-day#comment-16636 ragin_cajun, While I am still casually assimilating information for you to post here, I thought you might enjoy this link: http://www.facsimile-editions.com/en/kb/ Do you think it is worth $9,625.00? I read this tidbit from Mordecai Brauer, the Halakhic Jerusalem Crown Bible p. 6 "The text of the Bible was fixed by the Masorah only as a theoretical teaching." NORTHSIDIAN SHOTGUN, your first statement to me is a flasehood. Your speech is that of a fool: hostile speech! Read Proverbs 26: 20-28. Your sheen of drossy silver disguises worthless clay, so does the gloss of your unctuous, deceitful speech mask inner histility [Proverbs 26:23]. Like a spider, you peddle in dirt and poison! Are you ignorant of Spanish Churchly Hebrew, NS? The soft, Sephardic Jewish Hebrew! Most Jews in America are Polish-German Ashkenazi Jews [Harsh sounding Hebrew]. These terms come from European Medieval Hebrew: Sephardim ["Hispanics"]; Ashkenazim ["Germanics"]; and Mizrahim ["Easterners"]. - Gaius Cilnius Maecenas Thu, 14 Apr 2011 13:25:12 +0100 http://www.theind.com/news/indreporter/8118-cest-what-of-the-day#comment-16621 I will point out "ONE fact MAECAN'T, I have never blown my own horn, as you must constantly do, you are another of God's oddities, which floats on water like CA CA. And you are beginning to smell rank, also your statement saying you being raised a Catholic and studying Hebrew, how stupid do you take everyone here, no Catholic would ever be raised in the catholic religion studying Hebrew and couillion, its a fact, that intelligent peeps do not toil for their bread, intelligent peeps have others toil for their bread. - NORTHSIDIAN SHOTGUN Thu, 14 Apr 2011 07:46:41 +0100 http://www.theind.com/news/indreporter/8118-cest-what-of-the-day#comment-16616 yep. I did. - ragin_cajun Thu, 14 Apr 2011 06:29:06 +0100 http://www.theind.com/news/indreporter/8118-cest-what-of-the-day#comment-16608 ragin_cajun (sic), Let me do this tomorrow! I actually do have to labor to feed myself! I will ask my friend Pomponianus to step in here. Remember the editors know our respective identities. We have independent e-mails, when we log in here to post our blogs. Did you check out my URL above? - Gaius Cilnius Maecenas Wed, 13 Apr 2011 19:39:48 +0100 http://www.theind.com/news/indreporter/8118-cest-what-of-the-day#comment-16603 "there is great unanimity amongst first-rate scholars of our most ancient Hebrew texts. " Okay, fair enough. Show us. Like I already asked you above, and you are so far refusing to do....."state the consensus of your profession on the origin of the Ten Commandments, if there be any, in addition to your own personal hypothesis" so that we can compare the two, check your sources, and determine whether what you said is fact, informed belief, plausible hypothesis, or just complete bullshit. If there's so much unanymity of opinion on this matter, you should be able to very quickly and easily produce a few links that even a commoner like me can read and understand. - ragin_cajun Wed, 13 Apr 2011 17:45:37 +0100 http://www.theind.com/news/indreporter/8118-cest-what-of-the-day#comment-16601 To the Larger Group: Those of you following this diatribe, I think, would enjoy seeing actually a simple specimen of competent modern Hebrew scholarship presently being engaged in. I think this specimen from Professor Ronald Hendel for his "Oxford Hebrew Bible Project" of Genesis 1:1-13 will serve well. I wanted to give you a flavor of competent editorial editing by competently trained world-class scholars: http://ohb.berkeley.edu/Gen 1 sample.pdf You don't have to read it, just look at it [It is seven pages]. This is what 'real' scholars do! Despite some of the silly observations above, there is great unanimity amongst first-rate scholars of our most ancient Hebrew texts. Notice it takes 5 & 1/3 pages just to treat editorially the first thirteen verses in Genesis, "In the Beginning, when God created the heavens and the earth..." The ancient pagan critics of Christiany (such as the sharp-eyed critic Longinus) considered this passage to be "sublime." Enjoy! Thanks, Walter, once again for permitting us to raise the level of discourse in this community! We really do have many highly intelligent people in our land. Not everyone is a fool! After all, this is a University town! - Gaius Cilnius Maecenas Wed, 13 Apr 2011 16:09:02 +0100 http://www.theind.com/news/indreporter/8118-cest-what-of-the-day#comment-16590 While I am thinking of it, would anyone enjoy reading in transliteration what the actual ancient Hebrew text would be for Walter's new commandment: Thou shalt not liken thine Glock to thine Bible! I did have to take my Hebrew prose composition course in my youth as a snobbish, elitist Roman Catholic! Part of my youthful philological education; I had no interest in religious matters or faith---merely cultural understanding of ancient mentalities by studying their core texts [commercial, religious, legal, administrative, literary, etc.]. - Gaius Cilnius Maecenas Wed, 13 Apr 2011 13:20:48 +0100 http://www.theind.com/news/indreporter/8118-cest-what-of-the-day#comment-16589 The exchange between ragin_cajun (sic) and NORTHSIDIAN SHOTGUN is amusing: the self-congratulations of the ignorant by the more ignorant! - Gaius Cilnius Maecenas Wed, 13 Apr 2011 13:12:54 +0100 http://www.theind.com/news/indreporter/8118-cest-what-of-the-day#comment-16586 Oh and so does "Wholly Babble . - NORTHSIDIAN SHOTGUN Wed, 13 Apr 2011 12:50:59 +0100 http://www.theind.com/news/indreporter/8118-cest-what-of-the-day#comment-16584 Thank You Walter & Indy . Cream floats and so does Ca-Ca.... - NORTHSIDIAN SHOTGUN Wed, 13 Apr 2011 12:45:52 +0100 http://www.theind.com/news/indreporter/8118-cest-what-of-the-day#comment-16579 Wholly Babble. - roughbeast Wed, 13 Apr 2011 11:52:33 +0100 http://www.theind.com/news/indreporter/8118-cest-what-of-the-day#comment-16572 Ragin-cajun, Maecan't and his co-joined alter ego being one and the same, spoof quotations for lack of original thought process, and he is unable to address any subject which is available for discussion and/or brain fodder, he is incapable of all but argumentative vocalizations to disguise his in-factual ramblings, his lack of debatable skills is visually prompted by his abusive negations of every ones opinion /theory/and conscionable efforts to understand and explain the offerings in this venue, in a knowledgeable manner. The fact of the matter is the written word is usually factually inaccurate, there is axiom, which you demonstrate, there is theory which Maecan't demonstrates, as being mans limited deducible ability, and there is theosophy, which guides the N.S. Maecan't Maecenas is akin to the spoilt tot in a Wal-Mart store hysterically stomping his feet and shrieking for not being allowed his way..Ragin_Cajun, do not spend your time in debate with a fool, leave maecenas to his insidious psychoneurotic insignificant ramblings. - NORTHSIDIAN SHOTGUN Wed, 13 Apr 2011 10:27:27 +0100 http://www.theind.com/news/indreporter/8118-cest-what-of-the-day#comment-16563 How about you respond to the points I made in my post instead of ignoring them and muddying the water with germane details and "points of order". To recap: 1. Competent study of religious texts, or philosohpical texts, does not necessarily require reading them in the language in which they were originally written. 2. You introduced a red herring into all this with the Islam/Christianity remark, not me. 3. The attacks and "protesting too much" comes from you, not me. I half-respectfully offered up my limited understanding and education in the matter, you tactlessly turned this conversation into a platform from which to advertise your professional credentials while insulting me. 4. My comment on "3 different traditions" is not nonsense, as you claim, but roughly consistent with centuries of biblical sholarship. 5. You still have not explained why you found it necessary to restate what I already said--I've offered two possible motiviations, why don't you offer another, or accept one of mine? 6. You have tried here to pass off YOUR assessment of the origin of the Ten Commandments as a fact of modern scholarship. But, your position is NOT settled science, or even widely accepted opinion, but one of MANY DIFFERENT hypothese in circulation among the international community of biblical "scholars". If you truly are a responsible biblical scholar, then state the consensus of your profession on the origin of the Ten Commandments, if there be any, in addition to your own personal hypothesis. 7.Although cloaked in obscure detail and archaic diction, your comments are incoherent, and I cited an example. And let me add another.... " love of one's neighbor that inspires the great Isaiah and Jesus. You understand neither " Wow. An arrogant elitist regularly and directly insults all who disagree with his collectivist worldview and then says SOMEONE ELSE doesn't understand love of his neighbors. So I guess you truly understand it and just consciously reject it? Is that it? - ragin_cajun Wed, 13 Apr 2011 07:47:11 +0100 http://www.theind.com/news/indreporter/8118-cest-what-of-the-day#comment-16557 Holy Writ! " Scientifically set in stone as mans ingenious set of ethics, given birth for the sole purpose of aligning the masses in a conducive steadfast conformation to mans laws, thereby promoting an addled mentality and robbing the masses of free choice and the freedom to live their life as chosen, all through mans indubitable religious hokum.... - NORTHSIDIAN SHOTGUN Tue, 12 Apr 2011 23:06:50 +0100 http://www.theind.com/news/indreporter/8118-cest-what-of-the-day#comment-16550 ragin_cajun (sic), you protest too much. You are conflating the documentary hypothesis [JEDP redactions] with your "3 traditions". I do not think the THE IND would take kindly to rabid bible nonsense here! Modern scholarship has improved our appreciation of the "artistic expressions of wisdom and beauty" of Holy Writ as an instrument of all too fallible man! It is not the "presence" of God, but the love of God and love of one's neighbor that inspires the great Isaiah and Jesus. You understand neither great prophet by your many posts on this web-site. P.S. You might want to get your Documentary Hypothesis in proper chronological order---JEDP. I suggest you consult the brilliant German scholar presently working on his massive commentary on Exodus, W. H. Schmidt, Exodus 1. Teilband: Exodus 1-6 (Neukirchen-Vluyn: Neukirchenner Verlag). The first three fascicles have been published, the Hebrew scholarly world is waiting for the completed edition. - Gaius Cilnius Maecenas Tue, 12 Apr 2011 21:30:20 +0100