Comments for Dems In Distress at http://www.theind.com , comment 1 to 12 out of 12 comments http://www.theind.com Thu, 23 May 2013 03:37:08 +0100 FeedCreator 1.7.3 http://www.theind.com/cover-story/8309-last-dem-standing#comment-18048 rambeaux-rawlings -- No. You have a deep and fundamental misunderstanding of what "pay" means. Common problem on the left. A person who "pays" taxes is totally different from a person who "pays" by "simply living in a state where public services are substandard". The second type is actually a person who RECEIVES. That type of person receives somewhat less than what YOU THINK THEY SHOULD from the state in the form of "public services". But they are not CONTRIBUTING, they are TAKING. You need to use these words correctly. This is very similar to the difference between a PRODUCER and a CONSUMER. Also, let me challenge your oversimplification of Kiki's position. You deliberately mischaracterized her position in order to defend what is indefensible--namely one individual living at the expense of another. Also, let me say that "we" most definitely are NOT "all in this together". Not when some are producing the wealth that so many others are consuming. And especially not when the consumers are villifying and attacking the producers for being productive, or "rich", or "advantaged". Finally, I find it interesting and very telling that Kiki said "come back and talk to me" and you said "come back and talk to us". Very many people find it completely objectionable that leftists and politicians lump them into some vague collective, some mysterious and shifting entity called "we", "us", or "the community". Many people see themselves as INDIVIDUALS and want society to be a free exchange between individuals of ideas, goods, and services--instead of a "community" that seeks "the common good" or "common goals" or "social change". So, when YOU realize the difference between produce and consume, between give and take, between individual and collective, then come back and talk to ME...as an equal, one individual intellect to another, on equal footing, asking nothing and taking nothing. That is how FREE people interact with another. - ragin_cajun Wed, 25 May 2011 12:01:52 +0100 http://www.theind.com/cover-story/8309-last-dem-standing#comment-18036 So if someone "who pays" (everyone pays in some way either in taxes, including sales taxes, or simply living in a state where public services are substandard) sees a person abusing an assistance program then everyone unfortunate enough to rely even temporarily on the same system should suffer. BayouKiki, when you realize we are all in this together come back and talk to us. - rambeaux rawlings Wed, 25 May 2011 08:58:15 +0100 http://www.theind.com/cover-story/8309-last-dem-standing#comment-18018 Celeste, I'm going to assume that you aren't one of the ones paying. I'm also going to assume that you have no clue as to the kind of abuse that goes on of all of the systems you described. If only honest people sought that assistance when they truly needed it, I know of not a single person who would deny them. But that isn't what happens. People do need to make "tough choices" -- like they should choose to insure their family and give up the cigarettes, alcohol, and boats. Nothing irritates me more than to be in line at the store watching someone use their card for food only to pull out cash for non-covered items and leave the stor driving a car nicer than mine. When you become the one doing the paying, come back and talk to me. - BayouKiki Tue, 24 May 2011 15:47:57 +0100 http://www.theind.com/cover-story/8309-last-dem-standing#comment-17998 Yep thats co-rrect. - NORTHSIDIAN SHOTGUN Tue, 24 May 2011 01:59:29 +0100 http://www.theind.com/cover-story/8309-last-dem-standing#comment-17989 State Rep. Reed Henderson of Chalmette, recently made to Gambit Weekly... “We (Democrats) don’t stand for anything.” That is not true: Democrats stand for (1) higher taxes, (2) polices that fail to help the impoverished (and in fact keep them in their state of poverty)(3) promoting the culture of death through abortion and the degradation of society through issues like same-sex marriage. The Democrats stand for something alright: all the wrong things. - Marc Mon, 23 May 2011 18:34:26 +0100 http://www.theind.com/cover-story/8309-last-dem-standing#comment-17958 Here's what I don't get: why don't Democrats appeal to the laborers by pointing out the obvious? Many men and women who make livings with the honest sweat of their brows have been entranced by the Republicans' "you're not a man if you want another man's dollar" mantra. The truth is that many of those people who become injured and/or who cannot afford insurance turn to federal programs to get them through hard times. In thousands, maybe millions of Louisiana cases, it took SSD and Medicaid to pay for surgeries, for child births and in most of those cases it was temporary assistance, not a lifetime of leeching off the system. Republicans would like, for all practical purposes, to destroy those programs. They talk about "hard choices" like it's an ephemeral and principled thing. The truth is that our country is wealthy enough to pay for those things and it should be the job of them men and women who LIVE off the sweat of those people to fund those programs. It's not like someone is NOT GETTING PAID. They ARE getting paid - off of YOUR back and they've convinced you that you're somehow immoral if you don't constantly cowtow to their wants. It really, truly confuses me how Democrats don't break their argument down to those kind of brass tacks. - Celeste Sun, 22 May 2011 17:44:22 +0100 http://www.theind.com/cover-story/8309-last-dem-standing#comment-17938 I leave politiks to the potlickers. For all the mumble, jumble, grumble, life goes on without change, and for those who affiliate with a party, you sir/madam, are a bumbling couillion/couillionette. - NORTHSIDIAN SHOTGUN Sat, 21 May 2011 08:43:25 +0100 http://www.theind.com/cover-story/8309-last-dem-standing#comment-17899 "Democrats are alive and well! AKA Progressive Republicans" Now THAT is a very astute observation. The other term I hear is "moderate" Republicans. - ragin_cajun Fri, 20 May 2011 09:35:33 +0100 http://www.theind.com/cover-story/8309-last-dem-standing#comment-17833 In the past, the Democrats could always get nearly 100% of the black vote and therefore were hard to beat. As blacks entered the middle class, became business owners, and more educated, the robot voting habits changed. Certainly, most blacks vote the party line but times they are a changing. - James Melancon Thu, 19 May 2011 07:35:21 +0100 http://www.theind.com/cover-story/8309-last-dem-standing#comment-17832 written by scottman "Bobby will cut Medicare aid to public education such as teachers salaries" ----------------------- Huh? You sound a little confused. - Box Tox Thu, 19 May 2011 07:31:42 +0100 http://www.theind.com/cover-story/8309-last-dem-standing#comment-17824 Democrats are alive and well! AKA Progressive Republicans, many in local government. - Compassionate One Wed, 18 May 2011 19:56:37 +0100 http://www.theind.com/cover-story/8309-last-dem-standing#comment-17822 Bobby will cut Medicare aid to public education such as teachers salaries we already have the most people in jail per capita in the nation #1 worst roads while Bobby used the majority of our BP settlement paying his political cronies for a useless sand Berm. Now he wants to do away with taxes on cigarettes and oil companies I think maybe even the true believers in Louisiana may wake up before the next election.Ethics reform for everyone in La. government except for his own executive branch. Wake up people. - scottman Wed, 18 May 2011 19:12:19 +0100