Comments for Roemer to join OWS at http://www.theind.com , comment 1 to 20 out of 20 comments http://www.theind.com Sat, 25 May 2013 00:53:06 +0100 FeedCreator 1.7.3 http://www.theind.com/news/indreporter/9180-roemer-to-join-ows#comment-23565 To Say that again: Your claim holds! Unjust Wars require the dupery of Religion to deceive the citizens to rally behind them; and a modicum of Social Justice to inflict more Social Injustice on the Society as a whole. Is it not strange that our citizens are so poorly educated that they do not realize the devastating consequences of fighting unjust Wars on their human communities? It is catastrophic! We no longer require our young lawyers to master Classical Greek & Classical Latin in order to become admitted to the Bar. It is this ancient formidable, erudite corpus that teaches one graphically how easy it is to destroy a Society. It requires only three or four rich men! However, "Unempirical Observer's" contextual frame was larger. His Romanticized notion of Religion and his commitment to Social Justice are commendable! After all, We did celebrate the Martin Luther King, Jr. Memorial yesterday. This Stone of Hope will last 30,000 years; Let us wish our brilliant American Civilization last at least 1/30th of that. P.S. It takes about 30,000 years for stone to erode by rain & wind; also, most Civilizations merely last (and these are the successful ones) about Ten Centuries. This is the time it takes to destroy one's soil & water supplies. - Gaius Cilnius Maecenas Mon, 17 Oct 2011 12:16:25 +0100 http://www.theind.com/news/indreporter/9180-roemer-to-join-ows#comment-23559 by Unempirical Observer "What I am interested in here is the religion and social justice component". -------------------- Most wars begin with these components. - Say that again Mon, 17 Oct 2011 07:34:37 +0100 http://www.theind.com/news/indreporter/9180-roemer-to-join-ows#comment-23531 [R]agin_cajun: You really must learn what is the vital role of Government in the post-modern Age. Your demonization of Government is, actually, Treason. You are guilty of 'crimen majestatus.' Or, to be more specific, 'majestatus minuta populi Americani' ["the diminution of the majesty of the American people"]. I would suggest that you actually real the late Professor S. E. Finer, "The History of Government from the Earliest Times: Ancient Monarchies and Empires (Volume I), The Intermediate Ages (Volume II), Empires, Monarchies and the Modern State (Volume III)." What you fail to realize is that your ignorant, simple-minded notions have been tried repeatedly, over and over again in the historical record. It does not work. These series of ideas of yours merely lead to oligarchy. Our present serious problems are not the problems of government; they result from capitalistic monopolies, and, what is more horrible, oligopolies & oligopsonies. You also fail to realize the role of Government debt & the presumed free enterprise system: Mutual Funds in Government bonds [$300.5 Billion Dollars] Commerical Banks [$301.8 Billion Dollars] State, Local & Federal Retirement Funds [$320.9 Billion Dollars] Money Market Mutual Funds [$337.7 Billion Dollars] Private Pension Funds [$504.7 Billion Dollars] State and Local Government [$506.1 Billion Dollars] U. S. Households [$959.4 Billion Dollars] The U. S. Treasury [$1.63 Trillion Dollars] Social Security Trust Fund [$2.67 Trillion Dollars] [July, 2011 information] Denigrating human beings to "mushrooms" is obnoxious nonsense. Furthermore, it is false. We are social animals; we are not fungi. Presently, our economic plight is due to incompetence in the business world. We are using human beings & their human capital as mere commodities. You cannot run a society for the upper 20%. After all, who actually does the "real" work in a society---the working poor & the Middle Class. Using computer technology & telecommunications to move cash around globally has not enriched the greater majority of our people. Lastly, pay attention to the leveraged $600 Trillion Dollars in the Derivative Markets globally---devouring individual & government wealth globally! Presently, we require a "smarter" Government to catch the liars, cheats & thieves in the Capitalistic arena! - Gaius Cilnius Maecenas Sat, 15 Oct 2011 12:43:11 +0100 http://www.theind.com/news/indreporter/9180-roemer-to-join-ows#comment-23461 I empathize with you, northside. I myself have very recently unburdened myself of the myth that Social Security recipients today are just getting what they paid for. Here is why Social Security is nothing more than Federal Funds. Social Security was a lie from the very start because "the Man" told all the "mushrooms" that their payroll taxes (called "contributions") were just like paying into an insurance or pension plan. People still repeat that lie today, as you did in your post above. But, the reality is that current Social Security tax receipts are what pays current retirees, and everybody knows it. You said THAT in your post, too. So here it is...follow this closely northside....re-read it a few times if you want.....this is gonna hurt. An insurance plan or pension is a situation where a person saves for their own retirement in an account with their name on it. Money spent today was saved years ago. But, a subsidy, on the other hand, is when one person pays money to the government, and the government gives that money to someone else at roughly the same time. There's very little saving going on in Social Security, as you yourself pointed out. Well..if money for current retirees is paid by current workers, that is the very definition of redistribution, is it not? It is perfectly FALSE that "Social Security was paid by all retirees who are now getting it." You yourself contradict it when you ask "Where is the money from the so-called lock box". If you're receiving Social Security today, you know damn good and well that younger people's paychecks are footing the bill. - ragin_cajun Thu, 13 Oct 2011 21:08:18 +0100 http://www.theind.com/news/indreporter/9180-roemer-to-join-ows#comment-23453 ragin_cajun: For your dumb ass information Social Security was paid by all retirees who are now getting it. Where do you and your friends get that this is Federal Funds!! Let me inform you of something. The Social Security trust fund was raided by both political parties to spend elsewhere. Where is the money from the so-called lock box that fat ass bill clinton talked about. Now my boy, you really piss me off! Don't be putting Social Security & Medicare in the same boat as the Bank Bailouts! That bullshit spin won't cut it anymore!!! Don't you and your kind every get tired of KISSING THE MAN'S ASS!!! - the original northsidian Thu, 13 Oct 2011 18:32:22 +0100 http://www.theind.com/news/indreporter/9180-roemer-to-join-ows#comment-23424 original northsidian -- All the small local banks got bail out money--Mid South, Iberia, I think St. Landry, St. Martin, Sunset. I KNOW they ALL got very easy rates from the Federal Reserve. All the local/state governments, all the "charities" like AOC, all the school boards, all got, and continue to get, Federal money. So do all the retirees, Social Security/Medicare, State and Federal pensioners.... This whole country's on the dole one way or another. The trough stretches from Washington DC all the way down to Lafayette, LA--right into the apartments and living rooms of everybody in this country. The only real dispute anyone seems to have so far is over some group or another getting too much. But NOBODY is serious about getting off the tit. It doesn't sound like, so far, this Occupy group is, either. Maybe when they get a serious statement of their position together...let's see. - ragin_cajun Thu, 13 Oct 2011 08:58:26 +0100 http://www.theind.com/news/indreporter/9180-roemer-to-join-ows#comment-23417 I have a question: Can someone tell me how many businesses in Lafayette were bailed out like the banks & wall street big shots were. I know I lost money in the stock market and no one has come to my rescue yet. But the banks were rescued for their F-Ups, so was wall street. And they were the ones that caused all of the problems in the first place. I was just wondering if anyone in town besides the banks etc. were given a bailout? Do any of you mushrooms have any idea that you even got the 2 1/2 crooked! - the original northsidian Thu, 13 Oct 2011 06:19:34 +0100 http://www.theind.com/news/indreporter/9180-roemer-to-join-ows#comment-23405 I welcome hearing all sides of the story, including #occupy and tea party. I applaud Roemer for his curiosity. - Middle of the Road Wed, 12 Oct 2011 22:05:15 +0100 http://www.theind.com/news/indreporter/9180-roemer-to-join-ows#comment-23360 In my above post, I misspelt "divisiveness"; this stupidity is doubly bad. I had spent five minutes attempting to look the word up in two of my English dictionaries. Then I did a Google search, and wrote down the form that is a common misspelling of it. Haste makes not only waste, but also error. Poetic Justice! Damn! - Gaius Cilnius Maecenas Tue, 11 Oct 2011 17:29:55 +0100 http://www.theind.com/news/indreporter/9180-roemer-to-join-ows#comment-23359 [R]agin_cajun: I am impressed. You actually managed to spell the word 'Diocese' correctly. After all, it is Middle French-Late Latin-Greek in transmission history! Did you expect the Roman Catholic Church to issue a 4.0 version of the Code Noir? The Roman Catholic Church does not have to promote racial segregation; their parishioners do this for them. Is it not silly to even have religious schools? The growth of community morality is now only achieved by the Scientific system and the Artistic system! The Religious system merely grows hypocrisy and intellectual fraudulence. Our ancient church is the source of much of the political deviciveness, especially, social issues in our society. These pious barbarians hide behind Divine Revelation & Inerrancy. They use the hermeneutical method of eisegesis: reading "into" the Scriptures, using these ancient Bronze Age writings as "proof-texts." I think Unempirical Observer here has an "empirical" approach worthy developing. - Gaius Cilnius Maecenas Tue, 11 Oct 2011 17:15:20 +0100 http://www.theind.com/news/indreporter/9180-roemer-to-join-ows#comment-23325 A sign in a bus stop says nothing about "faith traditions". A sign hanging in Hazelhurst doesn't either. And the church going habits of Catholics in this town say nothing, either unless you can point to an actual stated policy of the Diocese that requires segregation. Or perhaps a series of actions taken by the Diocese to enforce racial segregation? Can you even give a scintilla of evidence that the Diocese actively promotes racial segregation in its churches? That's ridiculous. You saw a sign 40 years ago in a bus stop, so the Catholic Church must be racist? There's MAY be a sign in Hazelhurst, MS from the 80's, so "faith traditions" are racist? Non sequitir. - ragin_cajun Tue, 11 Oct 2011 08:57:10 +0100 http://www.theind.com/news/indreporter/9180-roemer-to-join-ows#comment-23310 Three examples : 1. The sign which hung in a laundramat in the center of Lafayette which read, "NO COLORED ALLOWED, the sign hung there until after Rosa Parks rode the front seat of the bus. 2. The same posted sign was still hanging in Hazelhurst, Mississippi in the 80's. Would you have a clue as to whether its still hanging today. 3. Look around you ragin_cajun, see if you can you tell me how many segregated Catholic Churches are in this town. Not wanting any beef just a White breast man myself. - NORTHSIDIAN SHOTGUN Tue, 11 Oct 2011 01:35:54 +0100 http://www.theind.com/news/indreporter/9180-roemer-to-join-ows#comment-23298 "One day, when faith traditions are accepting of all peoples before a god, for who they are, and not based on cultural dogma which says one person is less equal than another" What you TALKING about? What "faith traditions" in America say "one person is less equal than another"? What "cultural dogma" do you mean? Can you give a couple examples? - ragin_cajun Mon, 10 Oct 2011 19:54:38 +0100 http://www.theind.com/news/indreporter/9180-roemer-to-join-ows#comment-23296 The GOPsters are fools if they think this particular series of popular assemblies are fronts for the big "D" Democratic Party. I bet most assemblians are jaded with the D's and exceedingly desirous of stripping the Democratic Party off from its Corporate ownership which has been in place since the Watergate years, that is if they don't simply desire a new culture, from a new party to arise. These populists are like our forebears (which never quite made it down to the Deep South) in the Gilded Age uprisings, which saw states like North Dakota launch a state chartered bank (still in existance) to finance the needs of native Dakotans over those of the capital extractors in the halls of mega-finance. That movement culminated in the Depression era New Deal response to the final abuses of that Gilded Age which had run amok in the 1920's. What I am interested in here is the religion and social justice component. When we see faith traditions hand-in-hand advocating for a just policy of domestic and international finance and foreign affairs, as was popular in the early 20th century during the initial progressive era, I think that may be the sign that OWS wins and GOPsters finally accede to acceptance on the scale of death and dying. HOwever, they never accepted the results of the previous movement in the 30's and 40's, so I expect the debate shall go on beyond our lifetimes. For now, our faith traditions border at times on the concerningly brutal aspects of defunding the safety net and allowing people to suffer and fall through the cracks. One day, when faith traditions are accepting of all peoples before a god, for who they are, and not based on cultural dogma which says one person is less equal than another, then perhaps then, a public realm in common will no longer be necessary to preserve liberty and justice for all. That change, will have tohappen in the minds of 'man first. I hope we can get there. Buddy being a good Christian, I hope he believes some of this. Buddy being a reputed Populist definitely seeks to connect with this. Let's see what happens. - Unempirical Observer Mon, 10 Oct 2011 19:06:40 +0100 http://www.theind.com/news/indreporter/9180-roemer-to-join-ows#comment-23283 You have to admire him. He's the only Republican I've seen with the guts to point out the elephant in the room. The rest of them are completely and utterly captured. - b f Mon, 10 Oct 2011 14:55:21 +0100 http://www.theind.com/news/indreporter/9180-roemer-to-join-ows#comment-23282 by the original northsidian "Cain is a token of the GOP Crackers" ----------------- Nooo, he's a pizza, man. - Holly Golighty Mon, 10 Oct 2011 14:24:59 +0100 http://www.theind.com/news/indreporter/9180-roemer-to-join-ows#comment-23278 Ouch....that rubber band smarts! And the security image below says: nra la........how does that happen :-? - Compassionate One Mon, 10 Oct 2011 14:00:28 +0100 http://www.theind.com/news/indreporter/9180-roemer-to-join-ows#comment-23271 Buddy's got to do something for attention. I guess he could have compared Hitler to Obama but that would be giving Hitler a bad rap. :-) - Holly Golightly Mon, 10 Oct 2011 12:23:00 +0100 http://www.theind.com/news/indreporter/9180-roemer-to-join-ows#comment-23269 So when leftist and populist politicians and celebrities join this "movement", are they "co-opting" it, or "supporting" it? - ragin_cajun Mon, 10 Oct 2011 12:21:02 +0100 http://www.theind.com/news/indreporter/9180-roemer-to-join-ows#comment-23266 Cain is a token of the GOP Crackers!! - the original northsidian Mon, 10 Oct 2011 12:12:07 +0100