Comments for Tea Time? at http://www.theind.com , comment 1 to 48 out of 20 comments http://www.theind.com Thu, 20 Jun 2013 06:43:57 +0100 FeedCreator 1.7.3 http://www.theind.com/cover-story/9327-tea-time#comment-24758 Has Naquin ever opened a business ?! balanced a budget ?! made a payroll ?! Typical "tea party" racist and bigots that attack because they don't want this race to be judged by merit + education!!! - confused Wed, 16 Nov 2011 23:52:37 +0100 http://www.theind.com/cover-story/9327-tea-time#comment-24705 @RCajunRunner - hey don't blame the previous administration. The current administration 'owns' this. Isn't that what you types say? Annoying isn't it? Your leadership is absent from the real world. - ragin be quiet Tue, 15 Nov 2011 21:14:34 +0100 http://www.theind.com/cover-story/9327-tea-time#comment-24688 Resident -- "It means that ideology does not rule one's life to the point of blindness." No, what it means is everything is relative. "Just saying no to any kind of local tax without considering the reasons for its proposal is not the kind of thought process we want in our legislature. " We? Who is we, Resident? What "we" are you speaking for? As for "just saying no" to any tax, I don't think that's what's going on. I've spoken to William Theriot and some members of the local Tea Party about their opposition to TIF's, and I assure you, they presented very well researched and thought-out reasons why they were opposed. And both gave different reasons, too, which I think gives the lie to this constant refrain here that Theriot equals tea party. The other side is thinking, Resident, you just don't like WHAT they're thinking. "Rational people don't take well to politicians wrapped in ideology that is packaged as "consistent philosophy." Really? Sure about that? I think that MOST people in this day and age would LOVE to see a politician clearly state a philosophy, a set of values, and then consistently decide issues in concert with that philosophy. "it became just a fad used by Republicans to get elected." That is what happens to political movements. By your rationale, I could equally say that "progressivism" is nothing more than a fad. Should I just "shrug my shoulders" when I hear that term used by supposedly "centrist" Republicans like Doise and Durel? - ragin_cajun Tue, 15 Nov 2011 16:45:11 +0100 http://www.theind.com/cover-story/9327-tea-time#comment-24683 "and it so happens Louisiana is in the bottom of the barrel for everything imaginable in a state that is controlled by the might right wing" How many years in the past 150 have Republicans owned a majority in the State Legislature? One? Yep, decades of Huey Long, Leander Perez, Russell Long, Edwin Edwards, Bob Odom, et al rule...that just screams right wight/conservative rule over the state. It's the decades of vote-buying in places like NOLA and BR and supressing business grown in Louisiana that has kept us at the bottom, and that strategy brought to you by the Edwards/Odom Democrats. - RCajunruner Tue, 15 Nov 2011 14:21:30 +0100 http://www.theind.com/cover-story/9327-tea-time#comment-24682 Ragin - your damaged mentality is the majority of Louisiana voters right now, and it so happens Louisiana is in the bottom of the barrel for everything imaginable in a state that is controlled by the might right wing. How do you explain those facts? You have been bought my friend and evangelizing failure. - ragin be quiet Tue, 15 Nov 2011 07:53:56 +0100 http://www.theind.com/cover-story/9327-tea-time#comment-24677 Uh oh.... Andy Naquin with the November surprise, bringing in the heavy weight! You all remember how the INDependent fawned over Rep. Joel Robideaux and his "independence" earlier this year, right? http://www.theind.com/cover-story/8113-independents-day Well, Rep. Robideaux believes Andy Naquin is the best candidate for District 6 Councilman. http://andynaquin.com/forum/topics/state-rep-joel-robideaux-endorses-andy-naquin - RCajunrunner Tue, 15 Nov 2011 03:28:18 +0100 http://www.theind.com/cover-story/9327-tea-time#comment-24676 Recognizing differences in the realities of federal and local tax/spend policies does not mean one has inconsistent philosophy. It means that ideology does not rule one's life to the point of blindness. "You make my point for me" If your point was that Obama is doing a lot of things that are decidedly NOT leftist or socialist, then you're welcome. ""After the TEA Party was packaged and sold on Fox News, and establishment lobbying groups in Washington started including some variation of "TEA Party" in their names, it went downhill. " I agree. So what?" So this probably has a lot to do with why so many people shrug their shoulders at the TEA Party, because it became just a fad used by Republicans to get elected. "They're trying to stop tax increases. It's that simple." Just saying no to any kind of local tax without considering the reasons for its proposal is not the kind of thought process we want in our legislature. Things are NOT that simple. Rational people don't take well to politicians wrapped in ideology that is packaged as "consistent philosophy." - Resident Tue, 15 Nov 2011 03:18:44 +0100 http://www.theind.com/cover-story/9327-tea-time#comment-24669 "but don't try to tell me that Obama and his appointees are leftists and socialists when..." You make my point for me...:) "You just don't seem to accept that there's really not much difference between the two parties and the people they put forward. " For about the TENTH time, Resident...READ it this time...I DO agree with you about that. I have agreed with you over and again on this point, I have told you MANY times. Yet, here we are again... "I don't accept that the same philosophy on taxing and spending that are applied at the federal level should be applied at the local level." Consistent philosophy is not your strong suit, so I'm not suprised to hear this from you...also for the 10th time. "I'm under no illusions that the majority of the "TEA Party" Republicans will do anything..." So, what then, just don't vote, don't support ANY candidate, just sit back and watch the Fed's spend ever more money, AND accept tax increases at the local level, too? "Local TEA Party rhetoric seems to echo the slogans and shallow arguments that we hear on the national stage. There doesn't seem to be any real thinking or original ideas" It's not a brain trust or a think tank. They're not trying to impress you with original ideas. They're trying to stop tax increases. It's that simple. There are very good reasons for keeping it that simple. "After the TEA Party was packaged and sold on Fox News, and establishment lobbying groups in Washington started including some variation of "TEA Party" in their names, it went downhill. " I agree. So what? - ragin_cajun Tue, 15 Nov 2011 01:07:19 +0100 http://www.theind.com/cover-story/9327-tea-time#comment-24666 I said "ruining our country," not "running it." I never brought up who is running the country, although I do disagree with you about that too, mostly that it's not run by a figurehead called the president. Nice cliche..."you have a hard time with facts." Do people really say that? Oh yeah, Sean Hannity does. You, like so many talking heads, perceive problems in the world and inevitably blame them on your least favorite people, or least favorite label of people. Happens on both "sides" of the narrative, so don't feel lonely. Not that I'm much interested in your labels, but don't try to tell me that Obama and his appointees are leftists and socialists when our wars/occupations have expanded, infringements on civil liberty such as warrantless wiretapping and loss of habeas corpus have been cemented, corporate control of government has increased, taxes have not increased (despite your equivocation of the health care bill), entitlements have been or will be cut, and so on. Actually, I have to wonder about your grasp on the facts. You just don't seem to accept that there's really not much difference between the two parties and the people they put forward. Which brings me to another point, the subject of this article. Local TEA Party rhetoric seems to echo the slogans and shallow arguments that we hear on the national stage. There doesn't seem to be any real thinking or original ideas, just whoever says "I want less government!" the loudest. I don't accept that the same philosophy on taxing and spending that are applied at the federal level should be applied at the local level. There are monumental differences, one being the fact that our tax money doesn't go directly to a private banking cartel called the Fed. It stays right here. And, despite the hyperbole about local officials, we do have better accountability and transparency at the local level. On the national stage, I'm under no illusions that the majority of the "TEA Party" Republicans will do anything to reduce government, reduce taxes, or reduce anything about the status quo. They'll just continue wasting our money on other things under their own form of big government. I don't believe for a second that Jeff Landry embraces limited government as espoused in the original TEA Party movement. After the TEA Party was packaged and sold on Fox News, and establishment lobbying groups in Washington started including some variation of "TEA Party" in their names, it went downhill. - Resident Mon, 14 Nov 2011 22:44:55 +0100 http://www.theind.com/cover-story/9327-tea-time#comment-24640 Resident -- Yes, Walter's weekly tirades against the tea party are very different from my position that this country is run by committed leftists, Marxists/Maoists/Socialists/Collectivists. Here's how....this country IS run by Marxists. Barack Obama said himself, in his own books, that he attended Marxist conferences, read Marxist literature, and was mentored by Frank Marshall Davis, who was a card-carrying member of the Communist Party of the United States. Barack Obama packed his cabinet and advisors with Communist and Maoists--Van Jones, Cass Sunstein, Valerie Jarrett, Steven Chu. These people are all "committed leftists", to put it lightly. Are they not? Want me to start pasting quotes from all these people? They literally do want to use public policy to make fossil fuels economically impractical. That's not something I made up, or my "characterization", that's a quote from the Secretary of Energy of the United States. Go read it. The Federal government is, in fact, run by committed leftists. That is indisputable, and unassailable. That you find facts about the state of things hard to take seriously doesn't suprise me a bit. In my experience with you here, I have found that you generally DO have a hard time with facts. - ragin_cajun Mon, 14 Nov 2011 15:40:05 +0100 http://www.theind.com/cover-story/9327-tea-time#comment-24630 Ragin said: "I think that you all give "the tea party" way too much thought and attention. Especially you, Walter. You all sound paranoid. "Oh, NO!!! It's the TEA PARTY! They're gonna burn all the art and outlaw abortions! Next thing you know, they're gonna let BP drill on Jefferson Street!"" Is that any different than your constant refrain of "committed leftists" and liberals and Marxists and Maoists and whatever who are ruining our country? "Oh no, it's committed leftists, brandishing a copy of the Communist Manifesto! They're gonna take all our money and and outlaw fossil fuels and suffocate our rugged individualism with state parks and art centers!" Now, if I tried to say that being a fear-mongering hypocrite nullifies your argument, that would be a tu quoque fallacy. But it's hard to take your holier than thou, "I'm fair and balanced" judgments and dictates seriously. - Resident Sun, 13 Nov 2011 20:32:21 +0100 http://www.theind.com/cover-story/9327-tea-time#comment-24629 Well said RC.... "I find it stunning that theIND spends so much ink on the tea party every week yet NEVER talks to them, never interviews them... How can you evaluate a spectrum of political belief when you don't talk to one side at all? " Yeah, Walter... Walter, you listening? Stop leaving all this misrepresentation of the Tea Party laying around. All we get here at the IND about the TEA party are mean, despicable comments. And we are beginning to consider that abuse when we read other stories or those goofy little things, you know, the ads, we read in your paper. The anti-TEA comments are not happening in a vacuum, and there is really not a good anti-TEA argument (series of logical statements that prove a point or conclusion) being made, just name-calling, ad-hominem attacks and bad jokes. The TEA party has arrived at an undeniable conclusion. Taxed Enough Already. Government waste money via various avenues. Government is too big. Durel has what..."Those people are just crazy." - snaildarter Sun, 13 Nov 2011 20:24:26 +0100 http://www.theind.com/cover-story/9327-tea-time#comment-24623 This comment of little Joey tells it all! "If you are a supporter of mine and voted for me in this past election, please don’t send me another person that is simply ‘against,’” Durel writes. What he wants is another lackey. And Walter, "Fair & Balanced" would be a breath of fresh air from you! - Amazed Sun, 13 Nov 2011 02:44:37 +0100 http://www.theind.com/cover-story/9327-tea-time#comment-24610 The centrist he refers to are about as liberal as Walter. But, they haven't come out of the closet yet. They think it's a secret and nobody knows. But, we know the truth. Centrist are closet liberals. - Uptown Girl Sat, 12 Nov 2011 05:37:13 +0100 http://www.theind.com/cover-story/9327-tea-time#comment-24576 Walter -- With all due respect, what YOU consider to be "centrist" is invalid. You are too biased to look at these two groups of people and correctly identify the center. And as readers here, how can we evaluate whether you're correct or not when you won't say how you define the terms "left", "right", and "center"? What issues and what policy positions delineate "left" from "right" in the GOP? And once you've told us that, tell us where Durel/Dore/Doise/Comeauxt is on those issues. THEN we'll see how "centrist" they are. You can't expect us to take the word of a committed liberal like you on this. Also, how can we trust your assessment of the "centrist"/"tea party" split when you only talked to the "centrists"? I find it stunning that theIND spends so much ink on the tea party every week yet NEVER talks to them, never interviews them, quotes them only by pasting from their website. How can you evaluate a spectrum of political belief when you don't talk to one side at all? - ragin_cajun Fri, 11 Nov 2011 15:04:57 +0100 http://www.theind.com/cover-story/9327-tea-time#comment-24563 Where is my popcorn. Quite a pissing match between Water, RC and CO...now where is that popcorn.... - Southsider Fri, 11 Nov 2011 02:04:59 +0100 http://www.theind.com/cover-story/9327-tea-time#comment-24558 The left wing of the GOP. That would be the centrists wouldn't you agree? -- Centrists in general, but not center right. More of a left-right....sounds like a dance step. - Compassionate One Fri, 11 Nov 2011 00:59:17 +0100 http://www.theind.com/cover-story/9327-tea-time#comment-24555 The left wing of the GOP. That would be the centrists wouldn't you agree? - Walter Pierce Thu, 10 Nov 2011 23:30:38 +0100 http://www.theind.com/cover-story/9327-tea-time#comment-24551 So Walter, why is it the centrist GOP versus the right? Wouldn't it be more accurate to say the Left wing of the GOP versus the Right Wing? And tell us more about the two fundraisers. Inquiring minds want to know! How was the turnout? Any big name pols in attendance? - Compassionate One Thu, 10 Nov 2011 23:06:38 +0100 http://www.theind.com/cover-story/9327-tea-time#comment-24545 Not at all, ragin. Dore did in fact switch right before he ran in the special election in 2009 and Durel at some point in the past was a Dem, but I think his switch to R far predated his entry into politics. I'm not sure about Comeaux. But Dems switching to Repubs has been a familiar phenomenon in Louisiana politics going back at least to Buddy Roemer in 1990. And irrespective of whether the "old line" GOP likes it, once these guys switch, they're Republicans and they affect the ideological constitution of the party. The much more recent phenomenon obviously is the Tea Party, which most people I presume would agree is the right flank within the party. We've see this centrist GOP versus Tea Party dynamic playing out nationally for about two years. Now we're seeing it here in Lafayette. That's the point of the analysis. To me it doesn't matter when the zebras changed their stripes. They're all zebras. "Zoologically" speaking. - Walter Pierce Thu, 10 Nov 2011 22:12:44 +0100