“I’m responsible for what goes on inside of my building. I’m kind of paying attention to what goes on inside of my bar. The streets of Lafayette are the responsibility of Lafayette City Police officers.” Close-cropped and wiry with work-rough hands, Marley’s owner Andrew Monceaux can barely contain his frustration, which will spill over two or three times before the interview concludes. He is seated with George Favaloro of Nite Town and Robert Oja of Karma in the conference room at The Independent Weekly on Jefferson Street downtown, grousing about Lafayette Police, Lafayette Consolidated Government, and a deal gone sour after just nine months. A few hours before, Monceaux, Favaloro, Oja and several other downtown bar owners met to talk business, or, more properly, they say, to talk not going out of business. They’ve all received the letter from Police Chief Jim Craft informing them that the monthly fee, or levy, they pay to cover overtime for a police security detail Thursday through Saturday nights is going up. Way up. And they agreed as a group to hold firm — to pay what they’ve been paying, even though the ordinance to which they’re subject specifies penalties for late payment and even suspension of those precious liquor licenses. According to Craft, about half of the 17 bars on LCG’s fee schedule have already begun paying at the increased rate.
Most of the bars paying the levy are clustered on the 300 and 400 blocks of Jefferson Street between Congress and Cypress, beyond which downtown Lafayette dissipates into a seedy amalgam of broken glass and broken men. On a typical Saturday night thousands of mostly young and often rowdy bar hoppers turn Jefferson into Bourbon Street West. The vagrants panhandle. Opportunistic crooks prowl the perimeter, waiting for a score to come stumbling along. The deal struck last February between the bars and LCG requires the bars collectively to pay $168,900 to City Hall per year — half the cost of the security detail. Each bar’s share is based on its occupancy; Karma, the largest with a capacity of 1,307, pays five times more than the 240-head Green Room across the street. But in the letter, Craft says that’s not enough.
“It was determined that significant increases in staffing would be necessary in order to provide for adequate safety and security,” Craft writes in the Nov. 11 letter to the bar owners. He cites three factors in justifying the higher fee: increasing crowd sizes, more difficulty in crowd management, and the absence of supplemental off-duty police officers employed by individual establishments. In other words, the bars weren’t hiring off-duty cops of their own. According to Craft’s revised fee schedule, the P.D. now needs $248,251 to provide security — more than $79,000 above the cost set in February. Favaloro’s levy for Nite Town went from $1,500 to $2,541; Karma’s shot from $1,500 to $4,020.
“It was a $1,500 cap,” insists Favaloro, referring to the original agreement. Indeed, the fee schedule released to the media last February after Section 50-50(b) of the LCG Code of Ordinances was approved by the council includes a column headed “Rounded Monthly w/$1,500 CAP.” Only Karma, Nite Town and Grant Street Dancehall are on the hook for $1,500 per month in the original fee schedule — they’re the big boys downtown — and Grant Street was given a waiver since it’s generally a one-night-a-week venue and hires its own police officers for security. But Grant Street is now being told to pay $3,156 per month.
“We agreed to pay this amount of money, and we probably went through about eight months of negotiations. We really weren’t negotiating a number; we were negotiating about where and how we were going to do this operation,” says Favaloro. “Now, in the levy it was made known to both Chief Craft and [LCG Chief Administrative Officer] Dee Stanley, that if we go into this levy, many of us, if not all of us, were not going to be able to afford to pay for off-duty security at our door. [Craft] said, ‘I don’t want them at your door. That’s what we’re trying to get away from. We don’t want them at your door. We want to be able to be on the streets, patrolling the streets. This is the way we want to handle it, through the city and no liability on the bars.’ So, we said OK.”
Photo by Isabel LaSala
That’s not how Craft remembers it. The chief says the larger clubs like Nite Town and Karma entered into a cooperative endeavor agreement with the P.D. to hire additional off-duty officers to provide security in front of their establishments, allowing the security detail to be mobile. Craft says that was to get officers outside of the clubs and avoid the ethical dilemma of having cops working for the clubs. But the clubs, says Craft, backed out on their end of the deal and failed to hire the additional officers, putting a strain on the security detail. “I’m disappointed that, you know, they continue to criticize the police and the detail, but yet they haven’t stepped up to the plate and addressed the issues we address.”
Craft also says the ordinance that arose from the agreement between the bars and LCG authorizes police to revisit the security situation each September and to adjust the fee schedule accordingly. Section “b” of the ordinance reads, in part: “... the annual special law enforcement levy for which an establishment is liable and responsible is subject to annual review and possible recalculation in September of each calendar year, to be effective on November 1 of each calendar year.” According to Craft, they reviewed and recalculated. Simple.
But it’s not so simple: District 3 City-Parish Councilman Brandon Shelvin, who represents the downtown, says it was his understanding that the cap was firm. He met Monday to mediate a meeting between the bars and city-parish government, and supports maintaining the cap for the largest venues. Shelvin says had he believed the cap could be busted, he wouldn’t have voted for the ordinance back in February. Shelvin characterized Monday’s meeting as “a good start,” and says while the bar owners agreed to pay the increased levies, he hopes the council will amend the ordinance and make the cap just that, a cap. “I want what’s best for the city, but I also want what’s best for the people I represent,” says Shelvin, “and some of the people I represent are business owners.”
Robert Oja of Karma, Andrew Monceaux of Marley's and George Favaloro of Nite town
Photo by Robin May
An INDsider report last week in which an e-mail exchange between Jefferson Street Market owner Rob Robison and City-Parish President Joey Durel was published precipitated some huddling: the bar owners to throw together a strategy; Downtown Lafayette Unlimited to assess the public relations fall-out; and police, city-parish officials, some of downtown’s non-bar merchants and DLU to come up with a plan for addressing the crowds and the crime.
What came out of the scrum Thursday at City Hall involving police, merchants, DLU and city-parish officials was a four-pronged plan to address the crowds and the crime downtown: 1. Prevent anyone under 21 from entering bars. 2. Prohibit open alcohol containers and to-go cups. 3. Enact a “no cruising” ordinance to reduce traffic. 4. Establish a curfew, likely at midnight, for anyone not old enough to be inside a bar. An ordinance would be required to make the plan a reality; Shelvin says he would vote against it but adds that he’s drafting an ordinance right now to address open alcohol containers.
In the e-mail, Robison decries a late-night situation downtown that he believes is “spiralling out of control,” referring to fresh news reports of an armed robbery in the public library parking lot the night before Thanksgiving, vehicle burglaries and two other armed robberies at The McKinley Street Strip nearly a mile away but also off Jefferson Street — in close enough proximity to color the downtown’s reputation. “If some sort of drastic measures are not immediately taken,” Robison writes to Durel, “we are going to watch years of hard work and private investment go down the drain. The problem, at its roots, is simple: this community has tacitly condoned the proliferation of a criminal enterprise (bars, who by and large flaunt the laws — sneer at them — while stuffing their pockets at the expense of law abiding citizens and taxpayers) which has erupted into a contagion of lawlessness.”
Durel’s response is equally emphatic: “I am fine with a 21 age limit, curfew, go cups and a goal of reducing the number of bars downtown. I simply don’t seem to have any support from where it needs to come from, including the council. If I can declare a midnight curfew legally, and ya’ll come to a meeting to ask for it...I’m there!” Durel replies. By Thursday of last week, Durel had tempered his attitude, saying that his response to Robison wasn’t intended for publication (an Independent Weekly staff member was copied on the e-mail exchange.), but that he stood by his remarks about wanting to see a reduction in the number of bars downtown. Durel said Thursday morning on his weekly radio show on KPEL, “There are people who run legitimate operations. I wouldn’t want to see people who follow the rules, who play by the rules, that wouldn’t be a goal of mine, to see good operators go. But those who abuse, those who say we’re going to do one thing and they do something else, at some point, if we’re going to thin it out a little bit, I’d rather see those who don’t play by the rules go, and have those that do play by rules be more successful.”
The e-mail exchange between Robison and Durel also set off a fusillade of vitriol from anonymous commenters on The INDsider blog, mainly in defense of the bars. “You cannot place blame on the bars for crime committed by the trash that congregates on the blocks behind downtown,” writes one. “None of these proposed ‘solutions’ are addressing the actual problem of crime in the downtown area. No one is going to get mugged on Jefferson Street, certainly not in the immediate vicinity of the bars or around large crowds. This stuff happens on the side streets and in the unwatched parking lots,” chimes another.
Others blame police: “Every Friday and Saturday night between 8 p.m. and 2 a.m., about 6-10 policeman stand on the corner in front of Dwyer’s Cafe just hanging out and bullsh****ng with one another... They just sit there and chit chat. Changing curfews or banning 18-20 year olds would be the downfall of Lafayette.”
Craft disputes claims that his officers idle in groups. They gather on the side of Dwyer’s at the start of the shift, he says, to discuss strategy and receive their assignments; then they fan out, and each is charged with policing a specific area of Jefferson Street. As part of the ordinance and cooperative endeavor agreement, Lafayette Parish Sheriff’s deputies patrol the perimeter of downtown; the cops’ beat is Jeff Street. Craft also takes exception with the bar owners’ claim that only about 1 percent of the crowd on any given weekend night is under 21. “I would say probably 50 percent or more,” he estimates.
“They’re not really coming down here like you think,” says Monceaux, “and if you want to find out for yourself go drive down to the McKinley Street Strip on a Wednesday or a Friday night to see where they’re going to drink.”
“It’s all hearsay; it always has been,” Oja says of the notion that downtown is crawling with underage drinkers. Oja, a defensive end-sized hulk of man who could easily be mistaken for a bouncer, purses his lips when mention is made of Robison’s e-mail to Durel — it’s clearly a bad taste in his mouth. “That was the point of the letter that really irritated me, that it’s ‘spiralling out of control.’ There’s been two reports [of crimes],” he says.
Craft begs to differ, citing stats from this year alone that point to, in some cases, a 400 percent rise in felony calls to the area.
Stanley, Durel’s point man between LCG and the bars, says some downtown bar owners have been all talk and no walk, vowing years ago to do away with go-cups and even establishing a 19 year age limit for admission. “I think the concerns that he’s expressed, and the frustration that he hinted at in the e-mail that you guys printed,” says Stanley, “is here we are, years down the road, we’re still speaking about the things we were speaking about years ago.”
Pointing fingers elsewhere emerges as a theme among some bar owners: The Strip is really where the underage drinking is happening. Competing hot spots in Lafayette are trying to undermine a successful downtown nightlife scene. Says Favaloro: “It is ignited by our competition away from downtown — the River Ranch area, wherever else they got bars. That’s their fuel: ‘Man, it’s nothing but kids. You don’t want to go over there.’”
Asked if underage patrons were getting drunk in their bars, Monceaux lets fly an emphatic, “F**k no!”
“It’s those that are too young to be in the area that are causing a great deal of the problem,” asserts District 7 City Councilman Don Bertrand, one of six council members including Shelvin to approve the levy ordinance last February. “I’m not aware of this problem anywhere else in the parish,” Bertrand adds. “We’re having it downtown. I think we need to address it downtown. Maybe we need to establish an entertainment district and set it aside from everything else.”
“The people who are telling you this are people who go to bed at 7 o’clock at night,” Favaloro says about what he believes are exaggerated characterizations of rowdy, drunken crowds, many of them minors, marauding through the downtown on weekends. But the evidence on a Sunday morning is compelling: the detritus of broken bottles, discarded wristbands, cigarette butts and plastic cups; the acrid smell of urine in nooks and parking tower stairwells.
Craft and others say the biggest problem with minors downtown on weekends, aside from them obtaining alcohol or bringing it into the area, is the crowd volume it exacerbates — the bigger the crowds, the more dispersed into darkened side streets the parking, the greater the opportunities for criminals to ply their trade. “I don’t want to blame victims, OK, but, you know, people violate certain risk factors,” says Craft. “You know, if they drink to the point where they’re so inebriated they take the wrong way home or walk into an area they’re unfamiliar with and they’re by themselves, people see that, and there are people who are there because of the crowds to commit crimes, and they take advantage of that. The victim pool is a pretty big pool, and so it’s easy pickings for some criminals.”
Monceaux’s response is narrowly focused: “How are we responsible as business owners for what goes on on Buchanan and Polk and the outlying areas. It’s crazy.”
As for who’s committing the crimes downtown, most of the comments at theind.com blame the vagrants. Craft, more than 30 years a cop, says it’s not that simple. “I would bet that the transients are responsible for some of the crime and the rest is our home-grown local thugs from the Acadiana area, because many of our arrests are of people who are from out of town, surrounding communities.”
In the middle of the squabbling between government and the bars is Downtown Lafayette Unlimited, the non-profit corporation that promotes and facilitates economic development in the district. DLU has been instrumental in downtown Lafayette’s relatively rapid transformation from a languishing business district to the bustling area it is today. But DLU, by many accounts, has also been wont to stick its head in the sand when it comes to crime and vagrancy in the area, preferring to accentuate the positive and ignore the negative. That’s beginning to change. The group issued a press release last week acknowledging the issue of crowds and crime. Two, three years ago, that probably wouldn’t have happened.
“I empathize with the bar owners, I really do,” says DLU board President Jaci Russo, co-owner of downtown marketing firm The Russo Group. Russo’s company is located at the corner of Congress and Polk streets adjacent to Parc Sans Souci — near one of downtown Lafayette’s many dicey margins. “I would be really concerned if some legislative body was coming in here and telling me something different I have to do with my business, and charging me extra money and all the rest of that,” Russo says, acknowledging that downtown Lafayette has issues that go beyond late-night crowds. “Look at where my office is: We’re surrounded by bums and transients who do accost my clients when they come here for work, and I want downtown to continue to improve every day, and if we need to make contingencies for that to happen, them I’m all for it.”
It’s unfair to characterize downtown Lafayette as mostly bars; as employment goes, it’s mostly banks and courthouses. The problem for many merchants and downtown boosters is that the bars are crammed into a two- to three-block area. Crowds get thick. Decibel levels rise. When LCG, DLU and others were rethinking and then retooling the district, few if any anticipated the complexion the area takes on around midnight on a cool fall Saturday. There’s now a tension between that red-blooded American instinct for free enterprise and the vision for a downtown that mixes business and pleasure, arts, culture and entertainment in equal measure. “As a business owner I completely empathize with the frustration and fear that the bar owners must be feeling right now,” says Russo. “We built downtown to be an arts and culture district — I’m thrilled that this entertainment component has come out of that, and for the most part, most of the bar owners are law-abiding citizens who contribute greatly to the economic development of downtown. It’s great having them here. I want those guys to be more successful; I want them to get better crowds of people who are going to follow the rules. What we don’t want is to have business owners downtown who are breaking the rules, taking advantage of any situations, and not being a contributor to society. I’m not a police officer, and that means I don’t know if Chief Craft is right or not, but I know we have to do something."
... written by NORTHSIDIAN SHOTGUN , December 09, 2009 - 04:57 am
IF AN OPERATION HAS TO BE OPERATED legitimately, how in the hell does our CHIEF OF POLICE, explain holding the bar/clubs owners hostage for a fee increase for security that they pay for through tax payments/ insurance pymts to insurers ,that turn and pay the city taxes, on premiums and the vendors and it just goes on and on. THE MISTAKE YOU BAR OWNERS MADE WAS TO LIE WITH DOGS, THEY HAVE AH MANGY WAY OF REPAYING YOU, AND there is ALLWAYS AH COUILLION COUZAN WAITING ON YOUR """LICENSE""", to be pulled for failure to pay the illegal, shoved down your throat FEE.....YA CAN BOOK THAT! GET AH LAWYER !
... written by spinzone , December 09, 2009 - 05:58 pm
Craft said: "I would bet that the transients are responsible for some of the crime and the rest is our home-grown local thugs from the Acadiana area, because many of our arrests are of people who are from out of town, surrounding communities.â€
If it's home grown - then why are the arrest from people out of town?
... written by ACLU-POOYIE , December 09, 2009 - 06:06 pm
“I’m not aware of this problem anywhere else in the parish,†Bertrand adds.
And then there is no other place in a 9 parish area that assist the homeless to the magnitude of Acadian Outreach, St. Joseph's Diner, Salvation Army,..............................and all the other non-profit (church) agencies clustered in the exact same area. They are a magnet for criminals. Criminals are re-branded as needy-down on your luck humans in need. They're not. They're professional criminals, rapist, child molestors. When is a tax going to be levied against the ones who run that facility (including Rob Robinson who sits on that board). Oh that's right we use our hard earned tax dollars to subsidize that operation. Thanks for nothing Mary Landrieu.
... written by anaonymous , December 09, 2009 - 06:43 pm
i thing that the bars that generally screw over musicians cannot realistically be considered purveyors of 'art and culture' by damn site!
they generally take part of the musicians door covers and never share a percent of the Bar take for the night with them.
some bars even pay the musicians in nothing but cheap alcohol!
What do you thing fills your bars with people anyway, club owners, certainly not your decor!!!
why is it that Art belongs in a clean quiet galley space, yet Musicians are expected to perform in stinking ale houses?
Musicians need to stand up to the bars and stop letting themselves get exploited.
BTW whats the deal with the fricking police horses anyway? this isnt the French Quarter in NOLA!!! tell these cops to get off the fillies and walk that bea!, as a bar owner i wouldnt hire a cop on a horse for private security and i wouldnt want to pay fees for them either!
... written by NORTHSIDIAN SHOTGUN : , December 09, 2009 - 08:51 pm
JIM CRAFT SLITHERS OVAH THE GROUND JOEY WALKS ON, TA KEEP HIS CUSHY POSITION, DAT BARNEY FIFE !
... written by Phil , December 09, 2009 - 09:03 pm
The bar owners really should Lawyer Up over this extortion technique.The owners messed up by agreeing to the councils conditions in the first place.I would like to see the age limit 21 and over everywhere downtown after 10pm and the elimination of any alcohol on the streets as well.The city needs to get control over the problems that are going on in the streets downtown before they try to come at bar owners about their issues.Send the councilmembers downtown on a Saturday night unannouced to see what the officers are doing and what kind of enviroment Jefferson street is attracting and I'm sure a differnt side from the one Jim Craft paints would be viewed.
... written by realitychecks , December 09, 2009 - 09:20 pm
determined that significant increases in staffing would be necessary in order to provide for adequate safety and security,†************ Durel's complete refusal to address anything on the northside is the problem. He has screwed the police department for years, keeping it to a skeleton crew, with patrol cars, barely adequate for responding to specific calls. Nothing near enough to handle the inner city and pedestrian traffic. As long as his new developments on the south side are taken care of, that's all that matters. This is done by not having enough police, who in turn, must ignore the daily issues and systemic problems of the downtown and upper Lafayette areas. The taxpaying residents & businesses are not the problem; they have cried for help for years and have been denied with the passive use of a one size fits all police dept.
... written by realitychecks , December 09, 2009 - 09:40 pm
This is a disguised sales tax.
... written by Cajunrunner , December 09, 2009 - 10:30 pm
Thank you POOYIE.
Why is it still no reporters or politicians are willing to mention the non-profit nearby that attracts vagrants and druggies to their facility, only to shut the doors at night time and pony up zilch to the extra downtown security fund?
... written by Concerned downtown patron. , December 09, 2009 - 10:43 pm
What a joke! First I cannot believe that the owner of Marley's says that there aren't any minors getting drunk in his establishment. If he believes that then he is truly ignorant. I know for a fact of many 18-20 year old that frequent his place because they can get inside and drink. In fact every bar downtown that let's that age group in has plenty of minors drinking in it, much more then 1%. If this is the case then don't let anyone under 21 in your place. You don't want them to pass that ordinance because you know it will hurt your business. Second To say that the people drinking inside of your bars downtown don't cause any of the crime that happens is also false. I have seen many crimes happen before my eyes on Jefferson(not in the side street shadows). I have seen a bar patron walking down Jefferson st. with a glass bottle in hand which he purchased at one of these "fine establishments" and was able to leave with it, throw it through a large glass window of one of the neighboring businesses. I have witnessed many fights and also I have seen a few people getting jumped. Drunk people do stupid things(crimes) that is a fact of life. I'm sorry guys but your business is getting people intoxicated. Therefor you have to pay the price for what your drunk patrons do after they leave your establishment. Stop crying about it or start some other kind of business. If someone gets drunk at your place they are your responsibility after they leave(Bar Card Class!). They become impaired, if they get behind a wheel and kill someone it's your fault! It should also be your responsibility if they commit a crime or are the victim of one. I can not believe that you want to put up such an opposition for extra security for your patrons, you should have their security and best interest in mind. Without them you don't have any customers!
... written by JustMe , December 09, 2009 - 11:12 pm
Your right Concerned downtown patron.............."what a joke" As in your entirely uninformed opinion
... written by realitychecks , December 09, 2009 - 11:32 pm
Ask the most obvious question: WHY GO TO THE BUSINESSES rather than to the mayor and council WHO SET THE BUDGET for such things as police and fire protection?! Because Craft and taxpayers know that his department is treated like a burden rather than the ESSENTIAL service that it is!! POLICE ARE NOT OVERHEAD!! We should be happy to pay them well. Years of robbing from the older sections of town and underservicing them in order to advance "new development" has led to this problem. More budget to north Lafayette and hold new development until old matters are taken care of.
... written by realitychecks , December 09, 2009 - 11:34 pm
northside: JIM CRAFT SLITHERS **************************** It was the mayor's appointment of his buddy, Hundly, who apparently was slimy!! But that comes from rubbing elbows with Joey!
... written by Random Key Stroke , December 10, 2009 - 09:42 am
First, and most important your "four-pronged plan to address the crowds and the crime downtown" sounds like martial law. At what point does a lack of practical and logical decision making give you the right to tell young adults, that do not imbibe alcohol, that they can no longer walk in a public place at a specified time. Second, It is very easy to point fingers at the bars, but what about personal responsibility. Except for birthday parties I have never seen anyone in a club force people to drink, and at five to twelve dollars a drink I do not blame them. Third, WTF!!! is this about making the bars pay even more to have law enforcement preform a task that is part of a job description "Protect and Serve". It is ludacris to say comply or else. "Don Craft says "Pay me more for my protection or I'll remove your means of income." Sounds like a "MOB" to me. It should be criminal for you to take the tax money from the bars (I'm guessing that the amount is much more then most of the other shops downtown)and then demand them to pay more on top of the already unjustified tariff. Do not blame the owners because a police chief wants to stay understaffed so his budget looks nice. It does not require a criminal justice degree to know that an increase of people in an area requires an increase of law enforcement. Fourth. Some people may only see bars and clubs as one thing. A criminal place that sells alcohol. This is incorrect. A bar sells drinks and food. A club sells entertainment as well as drinks. I do go to club instead of bars because the lights and sound are much better.
What you said about bars downtown could also be said walmart. Walmart sells beer and has reported crime and alot of customers 18-20. Yes? Does a gas station or any of the one million places in south Louisiana that sell alcohol as well not also fall into the group evil doers? Did Lafayette forget so soon that a fatal event took place INSIDE the mall? The same mall that has alcoholic drinks for sale not a block from them. Oh yes and a large number of young people as well. Why aren't these places under the same flack?----end rant
... written by Morrow , December 10, 2009 - 01:56 pm
I think I have a problem with the City PD officers nearly blackmailing business owners downtown. How much is "way up"??? How much do they get paid per hour now? How much do officers with rank get paid when they work? Is it more? What will they be paid per hour after they get their self-called "raise"??? I have no problem with officers working security, but since the business owners have no choice, this strong-arming isn't something I like to see in our law enforcement agencies.
... written by Cicereaux , December 10, 2009 - 04:58 pm
Shoot the criminals, and leave the bar patrons alone. The real problem is the existence of a ghetto surrounding a nice downtown.
Politically, targeting the criminals is difficult. Targeting the victims is much easier.
... written by Felton Carmouche , December 10, 2009 - 05:55 pm
I think what the police dept is doing is simply wrong. The comments about transients and the northside of town are exactly spot on as well. The transient crackhead bums downtown are 'spiraling out of control'. It's the same thing on the northside. At each I-10 exit there are homeless bums with signs begging for money ALL DAY EVERY DAY!
... written by ? , December 10, 2009 - 08:22 pm
Solutions is what we need, everyone is just pointing fingers and placing blame on everyone else. "It's the police for just standing there and not patrolling", "the homeless" because there stereo typed as being criminals, "the dirty politicians", "the bar owners", "the bar patrons". It is a problem. Everyone downtown needs to work together to get it under control.
... written by De-evolution is real , December 10, 2009 - 08:24 pm
"Craft disputes claims that his officers idle in groups. They gather on the side of Dwyer’s at the start of the shift, he says, to discuss strategy and receive their assignments; then they fan out, and each is charged with policing a specific area of Jefferson Street." I respect the job that Lafayette PD have to do but I have to dispute this claim by Chief Craft. On 12/5/09 at 1am I was passing by a group of Lafayette PD who were grouped together near Dwyer's talking and laughing. They were not "discussing strategy." This is not the first time that I have witnessed Lafayette PD doing this downtown. If I were a downtown Lafayette bar owner, I would take pictures of Lafayette PD doing this and then present them to Chief Craft.
... written by yomamaspajamas , December 10, 2009 - 09:03 pm
Make it a sales tax and apply it to everyone downtown, bars, retails, services. . . everyone The problem applies to all of downtown, both sides benefit from the other and both sides suffer because of the other. Everyone downtown should pay the sales tax and/or property taxes in that area to support police protection in that area.
That non-profit with the troublesome constituency is a city government favoritemso don't count on any changes there. In my opinion their crowd is not the criminals anyway, those guys are too stoned or drunk and lazy to be trouble. The crime comes from criminals smart enough to go where the low hanging fruit is and that's currently downtown.
Guns or butter?
... written by Solutions? , December 10, 2009 - 10:16 pm
Hey Deevolution,
Don't we already pay a sales tax to fund the police. Wouldn't they already be working on a Friday or Saturday night?
The cops like to hand out in front of City Bar. I haven't seen one near Sadie's unless they were arresting someone.
The problem is THE HOMELESS SHELTER and St. Joseph's Diner. Do you think that people become homeless because of bad luck. No, it is because of bad decisions. These aren't people who fell on hard times. Go get the real back ground of one of these bums and you will see a history of crime and drug abuse. Increasing fees or taxes to fund police for downtown is lunacy. Lafayette is one of the fastest growing towns in the United States! We need a police force to keep up with the growth. We also need to move the Shelters out of the down town area. Why do you think that so many bars are popping up in the river ranch area? There are two hopping bars in RR and yet no violent crimes. Whats missing? The Down Town area and RR both serve booze, both stay open until two, both give out to go cups, and both let in people over eighteen. The only missing factor in RR is the bums.
Get rid of the bums, get rid of the problem.
... written by 20-Something , December 11, 2009 - 05:26 pm
If bar owners (such as those interviewed in the cover story) are convinced that 18 to 20 year olds are not making alcohol purchases in their establishment, why should they have reservations about denying them access? Sure they'll alienate a demographic, but in theory they won't be losing any money, right? It's fun to hang out with young, attractive people downtown, but not at the expense of businessmen trying to make an honest living. Sucks for the kiddies, but it's really not my problem.
Options: • Lower the age (stipulating that doing so will decrease necessary policing fees, if this even makes sense) • All bars will have to start charging covers.
I don't think bar owners want either of these, but I see the former happening first. Nobody wants to charge a cover — unless you're Karma and have to pay a small country's GDP in electric bills so you can maintain a Clueless Bachelor decor. Places like The Green Room should never have to charge a cover for the simple fact that they don't need to. It doesn't cost anything to argue with aging hipsters over which Animal Collective album is the best to shroom to.
... written by ragin_cajun , December 11, 2009 - 05:50 pm
The most high profile crime I can remember in the Downtown area was committed by Lafayette Police on some restauranteurs. Are those restauranteurs today being forced to pay a fee for security? I wonder how they feel about all this. Also, I think that LCG is very inconsistent on this issue. From the NGO debate I remember that tax payer dollars go to pay for Festivals International and Mardi Gras Parades because that's a "quality of life issue" and "they generate more tax revenue than they receive so it's a good investment". But the bar owners for some reason are not seen in the same light? Why should they have to pay a fee for increased security when Festival International doesn't? How much tax revenue do these bars generate? Maybe Don Bertrand could get behind the bar owners if they booked more Cajun bands? Maybe Durel would help the bar owners if he were reminded how much sales and property taxes they pay?
... written by Morrow , December 11, 2009 - 06:57 pm
I found it interesting that a comment was made that officers demand their pay in cash. Its easy to solve. Issue a 1040 form to the officer coordinating the schedule, using HIS SS# and you will see a rash of SS#s coming in. Officers should be paid by check and Chief Craft should demand it. The mayor should demand it. Its just good business sense and it just makes sense for the department and city administration. To insist on cash just adds to the suggestion that is this whole operation isn't on the "up and up" and I don't like anything that has to do with police officers and is not completely transparent.
... written by Trashed on Sunday Morning , December 11, 2009 - 07:08 pm
Judging from the amount of trash on the streets and sidewalks on Sunday mornings it looks as though business is thriving for the bars downtown. I think a fair way to "tax" the bars for extra police patrols is for each bar to mark their "to go" cups with their logo. When the trash is picked up on Sundays, cups are counted and bars are charged accordingly. The more trash your patrons deposit on the streets and sidewalks the more you pay. Party on people....but pick up your trash! Your favorite watering hole is depending on you.
... written by NORTHSIDIAN SHOTGUN : , December 11, 2009 - 08:27 pm
All my homies hang at the mexican restaurant, LAFONDA'S! It's a scene free of juve's and k-9 units, " VIVA LAFONDA'S "........ Mature adults graviate to this oasis to escape from the juve, CHUCKY CHEESE set at the downtown HIP HOP joints and the yuppieville RIVAH RANCH wannabe nouveau glitterazza, in there designer HUSH PUPPIES wid da vultures on the high stools catchin ah crick in there neck tryin ta scope everry male comes thru da door............MAIS, DA RENTS DUE........
... written by ragin_cajun , December 11, 2009 - 08:30 pm
Don Bertrand--"Maybe we need to establish an entertainment district and set it aside from everything else.â€
That's what "we" already did, right? It's called "Downtown Lafayette", and nobody likes it. Actually, there's 2 "entertainment districts" in Lafayette, now. The original one was McKinley Street Strip.
If creating an "arts district" actually got us a second downtown "entertainment district", what's purposefully creating an "entertainment district" gonna get us? A new "red light district"?!
No, I think LCG has given us enough "entertainment districts", "festivals", "culture", and block parties. If our "quality of life" gets any better, I don't think I could stand it! :)
... written by NORTHSIDIAN SHOTGUN , December 13, 2009 - 07:11 am
Ay, the only time EL PRESIDENTE has been DOWNTOWN is when he is waving to the MINIONS during the Mardi Gras PARADES $ the CHRISTMAS PARADE. JODU'NT was seen shopping at the rivah ranch, Saddidy, he did'nt have any coupons in his hands.
... written by simpleman , December 13, 2009 - 05:10 pm
The government wanted to set up a "big city" entertainment district, but the keystone cops and the small minded politicians still have a "small town" mentality...
Chief craft said his officers downtown have "grown complacent" and on most occasions "do not want to be there" and he wants to add more manpower !!
I know as a business owner if my employees were complacent and didnt want to be at work, i would just do like chief craft and ADD more employees !!! WTF ?!?!?!?!
If these geniuses ran a business instead of just pulling a check from our taxes (that is guaranteed despite their performance) they would be out of business by the end of the year !!!
at what point do we hold the police / politicians accountable for their job ???
... written by Another Concerned Downtown Patron and worker , December 14, 2009 - 04:59 am
Another Concerned Patron who posted on 12-9 is so right. These club owners actually believe they have a majority 21 plus crowd in their establishments. Come on guys. One karma like experience of a club not too long ago started serving the 18-20 crowd because they weren't making it on the 21 and older crowd. Another big bar that has a night town like atmosphere runs around 95 percent with the 18-20 crowd in their bar. Counting the Mollys or the Chee Weez once a month as your older crowd doesn't wash either. Mr. Craft has already kindly pointed that out. Having worked in Lafayette in the hospitality industry and more recently in the downtown area as a bartender I can tell you first hand that the 18-20 crowd is keeping the lights on. Having a night off a while back me and my friends were able to spend some time at Marleys where of course there's never any underage drinking or fighting. We enjoyed the conversation of four local high school girl cheerleaders. Three were juniors and one was a senior. While we conversed we watched them openly drink and without any hestitation or reservations from the bartender to purchase alcohol throughout the night. These bar owners have a lot to lose if the city enforces no 18-20 year olds in the bars. That is what this all about. Though I do sense a shakedown with the city of the security fees if you back away, the bulk of the problem is the younger crowd. Sorry but I am downtown three to five nights a week. I see it and deal with it. Vagrants and the homeless though they do exist are not the ones causing most of the problems. The next thing you know these guys will be claiming the crowd at the Keg is 25 plus. Far far far from that I promise you. Try 17 to 20 and that's being generous.
... written by ragin_cajun , December 14, 2009 - 05:24 pm
Then the police chief needs to enforce the law. It's just that simple. I well remember in times past when police would send minors into stores and gas stations to buy alcohol and suspend liquor licenses if the kids came out with beer. They should do the same thing downtown.
But what we get instead is let's raise fees. It's a consistent pattern of behavior from LCG.
... written by To much talk , December 14, 2009 - 07:03 pm
People this is south Louisiana... Lets get real its party town stop making us oay for the cops because its extorsion..and let all have fun...Craft make your boys patrol the problem areas where the lights are dim and stop harrasing the people who wanna come downtown and have a good time....If everyone gets the stick out their ass maybe we can get somewhere... Oh yes I am a downtown owner, worker etc, etc....
... written by realitychecks , December 15, 2009 - 01:20 am
Cajun: From the NGO debate **************** Do you also remember the debate that supposed "non-profits" bring in criminals from all over the country and pay nothing for security? Even with misleading stats, like misspelling "olivier" with "oliver" and non designated addresses like "000 block of homeless", the agencies bring a lot of problems to the community while supposedly helping the individual. Clustering of too many "helpful" agencies (what a painful joke) near downtown is a serious problem. Gulliani got it right and broke up the large clusters of permissive agencies and now New York is safer.
... written by Downtown Resident2 , December 15, 2009 - 05:43 am
How about trying this? Patrol downtown area more frequently by LPD, and enforce the underage drinking problem we all know exists downtown. Let the cops and force the cops to patrol secluded dark spots in the district/area, and do more random checks on bars for serving to minors. As for the liter problem, it exists not only along Jefferson St. on Sundays, but in several more areas of the parish throughout the week. However, I am certainly more concerned about 17 and 18 yr olds drinking at places like Nitetown and Marleys. Just watch the crowds coming of these establishments and you will draw your own conlusions based on your observations. There are Many problems downtown, and I don't forsee a whole lot being done anytime soon. Shame on you all! BTW, I will not even get into the disucssion on " The Strip" area. That's just a major mess the city turns it back to.
... written by ragin_cajun , December 15, 2009 - 03:50 pm
realitychecks--yes, I do remember that concern being brought up, and I have to admit that I didn't fully understand it at the time. But it would seem to me that people who make a living at "planning and zoning" could have foreseen some of this? What did LCG pay for outside consultants for planning and zoning over the last few years? What responsibility does the Planning and Zoning Commission bear for these problems?
Can we all at least agree that the concentration of bars, homeless shelters, arts districts/museums, etc. in the downtown area has made this problem?
And can we all agree that there is a very serious problem when a city's police department freely admits that it cannot properly police a very small area like this, even though it has horses, manpower, and extra money kicked in from bar owners?
... written by NORTHSIDIAN SHOTGUN : , December 15, 2009 - 07:13 pm
Have you ever walked down MARKET STREET in GALVESTON TEXAS, the police don't patrol their and only respond after the fact!!!!!!! I think the boys in blue should be issued black uniforms (VERY INTIMIDATING)and, issue ah rotweiler to each police in black, they would gain confidence and not mass huddle together in fear of the drunk JUVE'S and the HOMELESS VAGRANTS. OH $ a Q-BEAM for secruity in the DARK ! AND maybe ah SHOGUN SWORD and ah LANCE FOR THE PONY PATROL.
... written by NORTHSIDIAN SHOTGUN : , December 22, 2009 - 07:37 pm
EVERYTHING" AND EVERYONE HAS A PRICE! ASK ANY POLITICIAN YOU KNOW....
... written by NORTHSIDIAN SHOTGUN , January 05, 2010 - 07:51 pm
ITS A GOOD THING DA CRAFTY CHIEF DID'NT HAVE TO SELL HISSELF FOR THE POST OF CHIEF, HE CAN'T MESH FIVE WORDS TOGETHER... TA GET HIS THOUGHT ACROSS, AND WHEN HE DOES, "HE'S HAD TO GAG ON THEM WORDS.......
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MAY 17 Here's a column from James Gill, this time in the Advocate. Gill, who has jumped ship from the Picayune, writes about the absurdity of dueling polls in this post. The numbers are so wildly different, it is obvious that both sides are "cooking the books," he writes. In particular, he looks at Sen. Mary Landrieu, and how her recent actions in DC have been received by those polled. Gill's acerbic, amusing prose is a welcome addition to a paper so conservative as to be occasionally lacking in personality.
MAY 17 Blogger Tom Aswell continues delivering bombshells about the state education department and Gov. Jindal's education "reform" efforts. In this post, he reports that students in the Shreveport area have been signed up for a charter school without their knowledge or consent. Most interesting to Aswell is how this Texas-based charter (with ties to GOP types) got the personal student information it has, if the students didn't give it.
MAY 17 This post by JR Ball in the Baton Rouge Business Report is an interesting tongue-in-cheek look at recent Baton Rouge economic development efforts. Among the items he examines is the idea that gaining a Costco makes BR a "world-class city." (Really? All you need is a different brand of Sam's? MK!) This effort, and other recent ones, are all built on the taxpayer's back, with tax zones, tax incentives and tax rebates, Ball writes.
MAY 17 Blogger CB Forgotston is critical of the legislature's reliance on a revenue-estimating committee's decision to include projected tax amnesty income in this year's forecast. That's a problem, CB posts, because the deadline for these people to pay their taxes is June 30, 2014. So when do you think these people who haven't paid taxes in years are going to pay their taxes? Surely not before June 30, and that means the money won't be there for this year's budget, he argues.
MAY 17 Here's an interesting blog out of California by a Hollywood writer, attorney and academic named Brian Alan Lane. He blogs about higher ed, and was a whistle-blower in a scandal over false credentials. In this post, he takes aim at LSU's new top dog, King Alexander. It's convoluted and a little confusing, but it sure makes Alexander a lot more interesting than he was yesterday.
MAY 17 Blogger Robert Mann writes about the LSU Board's refusal to allow Dr. Fred Cerise to testify before the legislature about Gov. Jindal's plan to close down all the state's charity hospitals and dump the poor on the private system. It's hard to imagine anyone more qualified than Cerise to testify about that, so why would anyone try to prevent him doing so? Mann thinks it is because the powers that be aren't interested in hearing any truth about the plan.
MAY 17 This post on the Louisiana Sinkhole Bugle, a blog that notes developments in the Bayou Corne and Jefferson Island salt domes, talks about a proposed expansion of the salt dome storage under Lake Peigneur in Iberia Parish. Residents are working against it for several reasons, including two biggies: the sinkhole disaster in Bayou Corne and the continuing, unexplained bubbling on the surface of the Lake.
MAY 17 NOLA police arrested more people Thursday accused of either being involved in the Mother's Day shooting or hiding the suspect afterward, this Gambit story reports. The NOLA police chief said he suspects the whole thing was gang-related and throws out a challenge to the gangs: he's got informants now, he says, and he knows a lot more than the gangs want him to know. The people who live in the neighborhoods terrorized by gangs are ready to talk, he says.
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