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Gulf Coast Syndrome


coverWednesday, April 27, 2011

On the heels of the one-year anniversary of the oil disaster, coastal residents say they’re coming down with mysterious and frightening illnesses. By Alex Woodward

“This is the best-hidden secret perhaps in the history of our nation.”

Dr. Mike Robichaux speaks into a microphone while standing on a truck bed parked in the shade of a massive tree in his yard in Raceland. He’s wearing a blue polo shirt and jeans, and his white-gray hair is parted neatly. The former state senator, known affectionately as Dr. Mike, is an ear, nose and throat specialist in Lafourche Parish and self-described “too easygoing of a guy.” Today, he’s pissed.

“Nobody is fussing about this,” he says.

Robichaux invited his patients and dozens of others to speak about their situations. Outside of The Houma Courier, The Daily Comet and The Tri-Parish Times, their stories exist solely on blogs and Facebook — unless you visit Al Jazeera English, or sources in Germany, Belgium and elsewhere in Europe. A Swiss TV crew asks me why U.S. media aren’t talking about this. It’s a good question.

In the wake of the BP oil disaster, thousands of Gulf cleanup workers and residents have reported illnesses, with symptoms as tame as headaches or as violent as bloody stools and seizures. Nonprofit groups and teams of scientists are looking for answers using blood tests, surveys, maps, and soil and seafood samples. The National Institutes of Health began its “Gulf Long-Term Follow-Up Study for Oil Spill Clean Up Workers and Volunteers,” often shortened to GuLF Study, to follow the health of 55,000 cleanup crew members over 10 years.

It’s the largest study to monitor the disaster, but it won’t be treating its participants. Louisiana Bucket Brigade (LABB), a nonprofit environmental group, recently completed its survey of coastal Louisiana residents and found a dire need for medical attention. GuLF Study leader Dr. Dale Sandler says the illnesses “need to be taken seriously.”

“People are sick, and they have concerns,” she says.

So where is the help?

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The National Institutes of Health has embarked on a long-term
study to determine if cleanup workers’ health has been impacte
by exposure to petro-chemicals and dispersants. Thus far,
much of the evidence for adverse health effects is anecdotal.
Behind Robichaux, cars line a gravel drive along the bayou. Guests pull up chairs around the truck bed, cameras are rolling, and members of the media outweigh the guests 10-to-1. One year after the April 20, 2010, wellhead explosion at the Deepwater Horizon rig that killed 11 workers, spewed millions of gallons of oil into the Gulf for more than 100 days and closed fisheries and businesses along the Gulf Coast, people are listening.

“We wanted to be proactive and go out there and get it cleaned up as fast as we can, and do whatever it takes,” remembers charter boat captain Louis Bayhi, who worked for BP in the early days of the disaster. When his crew made it to shore, he went through a triage tent where doctors asked how he was feeling — but his complaints of headaches were brushed off as seasickness, he says.

Months later, Bayhi still hasn’t been paid for his work as a Vessels of Opportunity participant, a sum he says is $255,000. He’s visited hospitals for severe abdominal pains, but he doesn’t have health insurance, and no insurance provider will take him on, he says. He lost his home, and he and his family — his wife and his 2- and 3-year-old daughters — now live with his wife’s grandmother. The family visited Grand Isle beaches in August, where his kids swam in the water and played in the sand.

“My little girls now have more toxins in their blood than I have. That hurts more. I blame myself,” he says, fighting back tears. “I let them go and swim and play on the beach, but at the same time those sons of bitches said it was safe.”

Bayhi’s story is not uncommon for many living on the Gulf Coast.

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Some oil spill workers (pictured laying boom at
Pass A Loutre on June 11, 2010) say their early complaints of
headaches were brushed off as seasickness.
One of the first “whistleblowers” in South Louisiana, Kindra Arnesen, a fisherman’s wife in Plaquemines Parish, became a public face of mysterious diagnoses and chemical exposure symptoms in South Louisiana last summer. Others have come forward, like 22-year-old Paul Doom from Navarre, Fla., who says he swam in the Gulf last summer and now experiences daily seizures and is in a wheelchair following a stroke, yet the hundreds of doctors he has seen can’t explain why, he says.

Clayton Matherne is a former professional wrestler of 15 years, and at 295 pounds, he looks it.

“When I first met him, he was dying. Literally dying,” Robichaux says.

Matherne was an engineer on a support boat near the Deepwater rig when it exploded and says crews sprayed dispersants directly on top of him. Matherne wasn’t provided a respirator. Since May 30, 2010, he’s suffered paralysis, impaired vision, severe headaches, and he frequently coughs up blood.

“I don’t know why things are happening like this,” he says through tears in a YouTube video dated March 25. “It seems to get worse every day. ... It’s driving me crazy. ... I prayed that God last night would let me die. I’m tired of suffering, and tired of watching my family suffer.”

Matherne’s wife Becky says her parents are supporting the family after they lost their house. She says she and her husband have been approved for a home through the U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Development.

“It’s really not like anything I’ve ever seen, and I’ve been doing this 25 years,” says Louisiana Environmental Action Network director Marylee Orr. LEAN started receiving health complaints from Gulf workers and residents in the explosion’s aftermath. The group purchased $10,000 worth of respirators (about 200) and protective gear for oil cleanup responders, but BP wouldn’t allow the workers to use them, she says. Stuart Smith, the group’s attorney, argued that the Master Vessel Charter Agreement, a contract to hire fishermen to perform cleanup operations for BP, didn’t account for the health and safety of the workers.

Smith has served as lead counsel against more than 100 Big Oil cases and currently represents at least 1,000 clients along the Gulf Coast from Louisiana to Florida tackling BP and others involved with the Deepwater rig. His clients include the United Commercial Fisherman’s Association, the Gulf Coast Charter Captain Alliance and hundreds of sick Gulf workers. (The firm is scheduled to face Transocean Ltd. — the company that owned the rig — in court in February 2012.) “They did what they did,” Smith says. “My job is make them pay for it.”

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Dr. Mike Robichaux

Working with LEAN and Smith is a team of researchers and scientists across the Gulf Coast led by environmental scientists and toxicologists William Sawyer and Marco Kaltofen. The team has collected seafood samples for safety tests and sent blood work to Metametrix, a clinical laboratory in Duluth, Ga. Results from one patient’s volatile solvents blood screening show higher-than-average levels of ethylbenzene and xylene, two compounds present in oil. According to Metametrix, adverse effects that can follow exposure to the compounds include “brain fog,” hearing loss, headache and fatigue; continued exposure to xylene can affect kidneys, lungs, the heart and the nervous system. The patient’s blood work also showed the presence of hexane, 2-Methylpentane and 3-Methylpentane and isooctane — compounds present in oil and gas.

LEAN also reported three divers from EcoRigs, a nonprofit marine science group, showed high levels of ethylbenzene and xylene in their blood tests after diving in the Gulf near Grand Isle and the Mississippi Canyon, the site of the Deepwater rig explosion. Their symptoms include bloody stools, bleeding from the nose and eyes, nausea, diarrhea, stomach cramps and dizziness.

From July to October 2010, LABB and Tulane University’s Disaster Resiliency Leadership Academy performed 934 health surveys of residents in Terrebonne, Jefferson, Plaquemines and St. Bernard parishes at seven survey sites. The results show three-quarters of respondents reported an increase in coughing, eye irritation, headaches and sinus irritation. Grand Isle resident Betty Dowd, who suffers a persistent cough, says its residents need blood work “to find out what exactly is causing these problems — whether it’s BP or not, we just need to know where it’s coming from.”

Pointing to the health and lack of long-term studies of Exxon Valdez victims, 9/11 cleanup workers and FEMA trailer residents, LABB director Anne Rolfes says she hopes the survey results serve as a warning sign. “We don’t want to be in a situation 10 years from now ... where we wish we would’ve done something,” she says. The data should be used “not just to study people but treat their problems,” she says. “We don’t want to end up in 10 years with data on a bunch of dead bodies.”

The report recommends the government provide better access to health care (including mental health services). Only 54 percent of respondents had health insurance, and just 31 percent sought treatment.

“The money’s another situation, that’ll come, the good Lord will take care of me and my family,” Bayhi says. “But without your health, you don’t have nothing. I just praise God every day that I’ll be able to wake up and continue to watch my little girls grow up.”

Many cleanup workers and coastal residents blame the dispersants and an oil-dispersant mix for their illnesses. Sprayed by planes and pumped into the Gulf, more than 1.8 million gallons of the dispersant Corexit were used to break up the oil — though the product is banned in the U.K., and in May 2010, the EPA provided BP with a list of less harmful dispersants. BP stuck with Corexit.

Douglas Blanchard, a third-generation fisherman (“I got my degree on the back deck of a shrimp boat,” he says), was hired to handle dispersants, but he says he wasn’t allowed to use a respirator. “They never gave us no nothing to breathe, no protection,” he says. “It was a bad smell — it’d burn your nose, your eyes, your throat, headaches. Take pills like they’re candy, all day.”

He was flown via helicopter to West Jefferson Medical Center in Marrero where he says he was scrubbed with soap by workers clad in hazmat suits. “Afterward, they told us it’s not harmful,” he says. “We made good money, but the money’s not worth it.”

Tate Cantrell also remembers bringing a respirator on board his boat before handling dispersants and says he and his crew would be fired if they were caught wearing them. He says he now has trouble breathing. “It feels like an elephant on your chest all the time, like your lungs want to collapse,” he says. “I made a little bit of money, but everything I have now I’m trying to sell just to stay alive.”

The dispersants Cantrell and others were exposed to are a product of Nalco Holding Company, which has several high-profile oil industry ties. Former Exxon Mobil President Daniel Sanders now sits on Nalco’s board of directors, and its audit committee chairman, Rodney Chase, served as BP’s chief executive and managing director from 1992 to 2003.

Deepwater Horizon Response, the multi-agency oil response team helmed by BP, says it halted dispersant use in July, but both residents and cleanup workers say dispersant still was being sprayed months later.

Dr. Sandler with the NIH GuLF Study says one of the aspects of the study is a look at the effects of dispersants versus the effects from oil exposure. “I think the exposure people have had varied quite a bit, depending on where they were and when, and when things during the spill were happening,” she says. “The issue is, what is the source of the chemicals in their blood, and how to interpret it? By starting with the workers, we can see who among them gets sick. It will be easier to draw conclusions, [and] we’ll understand the full range. If one person gets sick, that’s not a trend. One of the concerns people have is if you measure someone’s blood today, it does not reflect exposure they received from the oil spill, unless there are ongoing exposures. As best I know, that oil well is capped. There may be other ongoing sources of oil in the community or other things to cause the [levels of contaminants in the blood] to go up, but until you’ve done studies like ours, you just don’t know what to make of it. But we do have concerns for these people. They need to get medical care. They need to be seen.”

What puzzles Robichaux and others, however, is that many blood screenings show no sign of chemicals despite the patients’ illnesses.

Sandler says the GuLF Study will examine long-term health effects and chronic diseases like cancer and heart disease. She points to the 2002 Prestige disaster that spilled 20 million gallons of oil into the Atlantic Ocean off the Spanish coast. A Spanish Navy study five years later found those involved with cleanup suffered from lung and cardiovascular diseases.

“I’m very happy they want to put resources in documenting the workers’ health, but that’s not enough,” says Orr with LEAN. “Where’s someone to help them with all this?”

After the testimonies, Robichaux’s patients and their families and reporters swarm him. He smiles and shakes hands before going inside the house to see his daughter before she leaves for a dance.

In a private conversation, Robichaux confides, “I’ve been working for this community for 40 years. These are my people.” He sees about 60 patients, he says, though most from a distance. His wife Brenda is principal chief of the United Houma Nation.

“We don’t have answers,” Brenda tells the audience in Raceland. “But we’re trying to come together, get a really good handle on what’s happening — the illnesses and all the consequences — and stand together to see what we can do to see something happen.”

Clayton Matherne’s wife Becky echoes Brenda. “We all need to stick together as one,” she says. “Without us being a whole, we can’t fight, we can’t do nothing.”
Becky lowers her voice before she leaves the microphone. “I hope you all aren’t that sick,” she says. “And our prayers go out to you if you are.”

Alex Woodward is a staff writer for Gambit. A version of this story originally appeared in that publication.


SIX MONTHS OF TONY HAYWARD

APRIL
“What the hell did we do to deserve this?”

MAY
“This is not our accident, but it’s our responsibility.”

“The Gulf of Mexico is a very big ocean. The amount of oil and dispersant we are putting into it is tiny in relation to the total water volume.”

“I think the environmental impact of this disaster is likely to have been very, very modest. … Everything we can see at the moment suggests that the overall environmental impact will be very, very modest.”

“I do feel that we have, for the first time, turned the corner in this challenge.”

“It’s clear that the defense of the shoreline at this point has not been successful, and I feel devastated by that, absolutely.”

“The operation is proceeding as we planned it.”

“There’s no one who wants this thing over more than I do. I want my life back.”


JUNE
“I made a hurtful and thoughtless comment on Sunday when I said that I wanted my life back.”

“We will get this done. We will make this right.”

“What we have done so far is to pay every claim that’s been presented to us, and we will continue to do that. … It takes 12 seconds when you phone the BP claims line to be put into the process, be given a number. If you turn up at the claims office, within 48 hours you’re given a check.”

“There is no evidence of reckless behavior.”

JULY
“I believe the decision I have reached with the board to step down is consistent with the responsibility BP has shown throughout these terrible events.”

AUGUST
“I think BP’s response to this tragedy has been a model of good social corporate responsibility.”

“Whether it is fair or unfair is not the point. I became the public face [of the disaster] and was demonized and vilified ... Life isn’t fair. Sometimes you step off the pavement and get hit by a bus.”

OCTOBER
Hayward steps down as head of BP.

NOVEMBER
“Contingency plans were inadequate. We were making it up day to day.”


Comments (18)add
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written by neutral party , April 27, 2011 - 03:05 pm
Drill baby Drill but at what cost and who pays the bill.
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written by Chace Smith , April 27, 2011 - 09:02 pm
The US EPA has pre approved the toxic cprexit, who's label states it is lethal to humans. Bp used corexit since they own stock in the company that makes it now. They all new the consequences for using a toxic product, to sink oil and hide it. They have no follow up testing with the product, however independent scientist have been developing this information for months, it is not good. There are constant reports of oil; sheens all over the gulf still today, and sightings of planes applying corexit even near shore. Someone is paying for this action that will ultimately harm even more Gulf coast residents.
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written by Chace Smith , April 27, 2011 - 09:07 pm
There was a non toxic alternative OSE II that the EPA prevented from being used by the state of Louisiana on May 6th 2010 before all the shorelines had become contaminated. The Coast Guard sent a letter from New London to the Federal On Scene Coordinator to take action with OSE II, and the EPA stopped this request as well. The oil would be converted to CO2 and water, there would be no oil laying on the Gulf seabed, and no one would be suffering from chemical exposure due to the horrific chemicals in corexit, and the seafood would be safe, and flourishing. Due to the EPA's inadequate response, the spill is now a toxic hazard adversely effecting humans, marine species, and the environment in general.
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written by HARDHAT , April 28, 2011 - 06:58 am
If Obama would have carried our state of LOUISIANA, there would not be any corexit on the Gulf of Mexico seabed, take a lesson from this toxic poisoning, and remember this on the next national elections, the least costly disposal of the chemical corexit as ordered by British Parliament in England is to have it absorbed by Louisiana residents. Aye BP ?

Oh hell, ya'll knew this already.
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written by HARDHAT , April 28, 2011 - 07:08 am
The EPA is a Federal Toxin Disposal Agency of the present administration, The USGS was broken up for not going along with Federal regulations on the use of disperants to aid oil companys with oil spills in the gulf waters, replaced with a puppet federal agency which totally rolled over like a trained dog as ordered to do so by the federal government and to look the other way, and ignore violations by the oil companys.........
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written by seafood lover , April 28, 2011 - 10:11 am
Is it safe to eat seafood from the Gulf?
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written by Resident , April 28, 2011 - 11:45 am
Chace, do you have a link about that letter from Coast Guard to FOSC?

On May 19, 2010 EPA gave BP hours to stop using Corexit, or if they could not find an alternative, to provide a report on the alternatives and reasons for their rejection. A few days later EPA ordered BP to cut down on Corexit use by 75%. Lisa Jackson said, "We are not satisfied that BP has done extensive analysis of other dispersant options. They were more interested in defending their original decisions than studying other options."

Of course, the fact remains that Corexit had not been banned as it was in other countries like Britain, and that BP was allowed to continue using Corexit. But I believe this is a problem that has more to do with corporate control of our government than government itself. EPA did not have the power to stop BP. Corexit was made by Nalco, a company which BP has a financial interest in. And since Corexit had been banned in other offshore fields like the North Sea, apparently there was a glut of the stuff that they wanted to use.

I agree that EPA had an inadequate response. It should have had the power to stop BP from using Corexit and use less toxic alternatives. Of course there is a level of corruption in all government agencies, but laying blame entirely on EPA is disingenuous and ignores the stranglehold that corporate powers have on government.
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written by HARD HAT , April 29, 2011 - 02:06 am
How many times will our people bend over before learning that this is not a normal way of life in other parts of the world
and why is it so ingrained into everyone here... Some lowlife comes in dangles a carrot in your face and leads you to the toxic dump. There is a place in middle-louisiana where you can drive by open your car door stay in your car and set off a
geigercounter, How strong is that, and you would not believe who is the majority secret partner of the dumping site, which is hushed up by the same state agency whose job it is to protect us from toxic dumpiung........
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written by ragin_cajun , April 29, 2011 - 05:53 pm
Hard Hat --

Go ahead, don't keep us in suspense. What is the name of the toxic dump, where is it located, and who is the majority secret partner?
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written by NORTHSIDIAN SHOTGUN , April 30, 2011 - 01:42 pm
Ragin, One clue and these were his words, "I own and partner so many companies, that they're titled from A- Z," the name of this man inits. akin a female lamb, the site is near the levee, in northeast mid La. can, YOU DIG IT ?
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written by So. La. marine biologist , April 30, 2011 - 08:42 pm
I am very sorry to say that seafood, here in the northern Gulf, is not safe to eat. The gov't officials met in New Orleans to pat themselves on the back and say the seafood is safe to eat but did not eat the seafood that was served at their luncheons and dinners which was indicative of what they really felt about the seafood safety and the 'official report.'

If you want to know about toxic dumps, then check out "U.S. Liquids" in Gran Bois, La. on Bourge LaRose highway. It is an open air set of pits that holds industrial wastes in the middle of wetlands. These pits are very important to the spill story because I believe we have evidence that this is the location where they are dumping the skimmed oil and dispersant sollution and the gov't is not only looking the other way, but may be running interference for the BP oil company and U.S. Liquids.

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written by Lucy , April 30, 2011 - 11:34 pm
Thank you.
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written by Tucker Mendoza , April 30, 2011 - 11:57 pm
I have been a oil spill responder for 21 yrs since the Exxon Valdez... In those yrs I have ran crews that loaded and or sprayed despersants should have had atleast a level c protection on
Back in the eary 90"a my job was to supervise my crew to loading it into the planes I made them wear thier resperators .. Any one that has sprayed or work around the dispersants should have had atleast the level C protect , also all personnel near or in the hot zone ... Should have had a level C Protection due to all the other chemicals... That are put out from the well blow out mainly the H2s..
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written by NORTHSIDIAN SHOTGUN , May 01, 2011 - 02:06 am
Tucker, "HEED," at the beginning of the spill on TheIndy's... *first reporting of the Blowout... OH, AND PLEASE STOP CALLING IT A SPILL! ITS A FNG BLOWOUT ! Any Professional Oilman, can spell it out for you, b l o w o u t. A female scientist/professional learned in toxins stated on her first report of the spil, that she monitored H2S coming from the spill.
This news was soon buried under immediately by one and all. Its no wonder, when you realize most media type think a xmas tree, is a decoration to setup for the Christmas season. I posted on the Indy that the dangers of inhaling these toxic fumes ( H2S ) is deadly, the H2S causes chronic illness's and even small concentrations of H2S can sometimes cause death, and if neither of these health hazards occur immediately, give it time its a "GIMME, You can take it to the bank ! But, what do I know, I only worked with this toxin for 40 years......
Oh, Tucker, rather than labeling H2S as a "CHEMICAL, we need to refer to it in the future as befits this natural toxin, nature Residue, a killertoxin, for that is what it is. Chemicals are what scientists develope, to aid the Medical and Pharmacuidical Professions become billionaires, Never in all my years did I ever witness anyone work near an H2S well without donning a PBA. Thats a "Personal Breathing Appartus.
For heavens sake......THE GOVT.IS NOT GOING TO TELL YOU, ITS NOT ONLY THE DISPERANT THATS CONTAMINATING THE SEAFOOD AND MARINE LIFE, The combination of the chemicals in the dispersant, anyone of which is a deadly toxin and then paired with H2S," Hell, any Government's Scientist would kill to have been the scientist, to have discovered that, xxxTOXICPOISONxxx, for his "Government, or he could name his salary at the "ORKIN Corp. I'm just saying, it would kill all the, "RATS in this world, all of them ! The Four legged and the Two Legged Rats.......
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written by Commander Keen , May 04, 2011 - 03:52 pm
I like the article, but this hurts more than it helps.

"22-year-old Paul Doom from Navarre, Fla., who says he swam in the Gulf last summer and now experiences daily seizures and is in a wheelchair following a stroke, yet the hundreds of doctors he has seen can’t explain why."


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written by NORTHSIDIAN SHOTGUN , May 09, 2011 - 12:26 am
Hah, I believe its common knowledge among British Medical Professionals why'nt we call a few in to tell our dumbass government what Corexit and H2S, does to a human body, especially when eating the contaminated seafood from the gulf waters.
Our government knows Americans have the shortest memory span of all inhabitants on this planet, hell they're very likely to vote obama into office again, "BETTER NOT !
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written by Grand Isle Ronald Robinson , August 13, 2011 - 04:29 am
I have lost over 100lbs since July 2010 after I was exposed to toxins in Grand Isle, LA while attempting to assist with the oil spill clean-up efforts. I have continued nausea, vomiting, & an inability to digest foods properly. In February 2011, I received a liver transplant. I was thanking God for the miracle I had received but unfortunately my medical problems have taken a different downturn. After surgery, I still struggled with memory loss, fatigue, weakened eyesight, multiple organ failure of which prior to my transplant were functioning fine. My heart was weakened, high blood pressure, kidney failure requiring dialysis, wet lungs that required repeated extractions of fluid (liters) and continued breathing machine (by-pap) treatments, & worst of all still problems with nausea, poor appetite, & poor digestion of the foods that I am able to tolerate occasionally. For the most part I rely on tube feedings. I have spent over a year in and out of the hospital and at the most I have only been home 3wks during the last past year. I am still in St. Luke’s Hospital in Houston, TX (medical center) where they have the best specialists and yet they tell me they are unable to determine a medical explanation for my nutritional woes. I do not seek monetary compensation, I seek anyone who knows of any study being performed that may be able to answer any of the digestive problems & if there is anything I can do medically to improve my situation. Also if there is anyone out there with similar nutritional or digestive problems, please reach out to me with any information. Otherwise I will continue to thank God for extended my life this long, and my supportive family. I will continue to pray for my Gulf Coast family & all of the families that are suffering health problems, financial problems, or a combination of both. Peace Be With You!
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written by Grand Isle Ronald Robinson , August 13, 2011 - 04:31 am
I have lost over 100lbs since July 2010 after I was exposed to toxins in Grand Isle, LA while attempting to assist with the oil spill clean-up efforts. I have continued nausea, vomiting, & an inability to digest foods properly. In February 2011, I received a liver transplant. I was thanking God for the miracle I had received but unfortunately my medical problems have taken a different downturn. After surgery, I still struggled with memory loss, fatigue, weakened eyesight, multiple organ failure of which prior to my transplant were functioning fine. My heart was weakened, high blood pressure, kidney failure requiring dialysis, wet lungs that required repeated extractions of fluid (liters) and continued breathing machine (by-pap) treatments, & worst of all still problems with nausea, poor appetite, & poor digestion of the foods that I am able to tolerate occasionally. For the most part I rely on tube feedings. I have spent over a year in and out of the hospital and at the most I have only been home 3wks during the last past year. I am still in St. Luke’s Hospital in Houston, TX (medical center) where they have the best specialists and yet they tell me they are unable to determine a medical explanation for my nutritional woes. I do not seek monetary compensation, I seek anyone who knows of any study being performed that may be able to answer any of the digestive problems & if there is anything I can do medically to improve my situation. Also if there is anyone out there with similar nutritional or digestive problems, please reach out to me with any information. Otherwise I will continue to thank God for extended my life this long & I will continue to pray for my Gulf Coast family & all of the families that are suffering health problems, financial problems, or a combination of both. Peace Be With You!
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