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CoverWednesday, October 12, 2011

In 10 days Lafayette Parish will make a monumental decision about the governance that will have long-term implications for the city and the unincorporated parish. Is this union worth maintaining?

How do we govern ourselves? It’s the most fundamental question of humans living together.

On Oct. 22, voters in Lafayette Parish will head to the polls and decide whether the 15-year marriage between the city of Lafayette and unincorporated Lafayette Parish — roughly 52 and 27 percent, respectively, of the overall parish population — is worth salvaging. It’s fair to say the marriage hit the rocks over the last few years as city residents, realizing their share of the parish population is declining, envisioned a future in which the city is a minority on the City-Parish Council.

Many city residents have also long chaffed at the fact that council members who don’t live in the city limits, who pay no city property taxes and who are elected by a majority of people living outside the city, have a vote in matters pertaining to the city of Lafayette. Ironically, it was city of Lafayette voters who in 1992 overwhelmingly voted in favor of consolidation.

So in just more than a week we’ll decide whether to divorce. The parishwide proposition comes via the Lafayette Charter Commission, a nine-person group empaneled in late summer 2010 by the City-Parish Council. The commission spent nine months studying consolidation and how to fix issues related to the city’s lack of autonomy. In April of this year, the commission recommended the proposition that we will decide Oct. 22: repeal the Lafayette Home Rule Charter and return to separate city and parish forms of government, or don’t?

Two former members of the charter commission — Don Bacque and Bruce Conque — have since embarked on opposing paths to sway the voting public. Conque supports repealing the charter — “deconsolidation,” if you will — while Bacque opposes it. They’ve been speaking to civic, business and government groups, separately and together, in an effort to drum up support for their positions.

Bacque is an insurance and financial planning consultant and former state representative for Lafayette. Conque was twice elected District 6 councilman for the City-Parish Council; he resigned from his second term to take the post of vice president of governmental affairs for the Greater Lafayette Chamber of Commerce, a group that recently announced its opposition to repealing the charter.

Bacque has also formed a political action committee to fight deconsolidation — True PAC — which state Sen. Mike Michot has joined.

The Ind sat down with the opposing players late last week to discuss the issue. Following are excerpts of a cordial yet spirited debate.

IND: Both of you were members of the Lafayette Charter Commission that met for nine months to iron out the issue of the city of Lafayette’s autonomy. Now each of you is evangelizing for a different outcome on Oct. 22. Your positions and posture on the commission were consistent with where you stand now. But did you go into the nine-month commission process with biases or preconceived notions about outcome?

DON: I had a bias — my bias was toward continued consolidation. And the reason is because I thought over the last 16 years the government had worked fine. But I was willing to hear, if someone could convince me that it wasn’t working, that it was detrimental to the city of Lafayette, I was certainly willing to change my mind. But I did have a bias toward consolidation.

BRUCE: And I, too, had a bias. My intention was to return self-government to the city of Lafayette — I did not have a bias as to what form that would take. However, we needed to reclaim government for the city, because in 16 years under LCG the city has not fared well, if nothing else in terms of population growth; the parish has outpaced our growth. We’ve gone from 62 percent of the population down to about 54, and the projected is we’ll have barely a minimum in 2020. So, the concern there is about loss of control.

IND: How do you tie that to consolidation — the population decline?

BRUCE: I’m not sure it’s tied directly to LCG. However during the first eight years of LCG there was no effort made to grow the city of Lafayette. In fact, the deals that were made for providing wholesale water to areas outside the city of Lafayette provided by LUS contributed to growth [outside Lafayette]. Even to this day, the city of Youngsville, half of their water comes from the city of Lafayette, and they are the fastest growing community in the state.

DON: I’m not sure that’s bad. I believe that population growth follows land, and it has become increasingly expensive to build in the city of Lafayette so people are going outside to get cheaper land; that’s going to happen anywhere. I’m not sure that government can stop that from happening. I’m not sure that if we had deconsolidation, that would make any difference at all.

I think Bruce is correct, that water was sold, and it did benefit the parish. But I’m still unconvinced that it was bad. Those people shop in the city of Lafayette, they come here for recreation, they come here for dining. So the city of Lafayette has benefited from the sales taxes that have been generated by those people who come here and will continue to do so.

BRUCE: And I don’t begrudge the rest of the parish on their success. But what has happened because of that growth and that shift in population is that we are in jeopardy of losing control of the Lafayette City-Parish Council; there is a distinct possibility there will be flip in one particular district that will give the rural population five votes on the council. That concerns me.

DON: And that may be the biggest contention that we have. I really don’t believe that because someone lives in the parish that they would vote to the detriment of the city of Lafayette.?I have never believed that someone who lives across an imaginary line is different from someone who lives on the other side of that imaginary line; [I believe] that parish people and city people are by and large all Lafayette. And a lot of the times the parish representatives have voted more the way that I would want the city to vote than city representatives. And so to me it hadn’t been a problem...

Bruce may be right: Sometime in the future there may be a flip in the representation. I’m not sure that that’s a reason to change government. But I’m certainly sensitive to his point, and so part of what’s happened in the charter commission is, is there a middle ground? Is there a way to provide the city of Lafayette the ability to control its own destiny yet keep government together? And I’m sure we’ll get to that in a second.

cover1IND: The “Hefner Plan.” Let’s go there; let’s talk about it.
We’ve heard the expression, “Mend it; don’t end it.” It basically sums up one of your positions: that we can modify consolidated government without busting it up.

DON: We don’t have to change it into two separate charters and two separate governments, but it does need to be amended. And Bruce and I agree that the current charter is a flawed charter... There are some things we discovered that can be changed and should be changed.

IND: For instance?

DON: Well, LUS; that’s the big thing. That’s the largest issue, I think, that prompted the charter commission.
When the LUS rate hike came up, the parish representatives had to help the city, help the [Lafayette Public Utilities Authority], pass that. I think that’s an issue; it’s something that needs to be taken care of. And it’s an issue that we discussed and studied. There was even some discussion of having a separate board of directors for LUS, and it seemed that [LUS Director] Terry [Huval] was supportive of that and [City-Parish President] Joey [Durel] was not.

BRUCE: A commission that is similar to the commission that oversees the operation of the airport.

DON: Bruce and I both agree that LUS is an important issue, and we can solve it one of two ways: We can solve it by deconsolidating or we can solve it by the Hefner Plan, which says there will be five districts within the city of Lafayette and those five districts would be the city council and also the LPUA, and would be the governing authority of the city of Lafayette.

BRUCE: On the Hefner plan, what came about there, theoretically it will work; Don and I agree there. Where we disagreed — on two separate votes — Don supported a vote of the Hefner plan where it would only be applicable to LUS. I proposed the Hefner plan would include all city of Lafayette issues. Everything.
So while everybody agrees the Hefner plan works, it’s how it would work. What does it cover? To me if you’re going to do that approach you need to cover everything within the city of Lafayette, and that gives us autonomy and self determination.

Within the context of the Hefner plan, which would apply to the City-Parish Council districts to ensure that five council members — a simple majority — represented the entirety of the city and have no constituents outside the city, Conque also pushed for creating the position of mayor of Lafayette as well as a parish manager.

BRUCE: Otherwise you could have a person who lived outside the city of Lafayette, as we did in the first eight years [of consolidation under former City-Parish President Walter Comeaux], controlling day-to-day operations of Lafayette city government, because everybody out there who even wears an LCG uniform is actually employed by the city of Lafayette. And all of the major assets are owned by the city of Lafayette. So why should we not have someone who is from the city of Lafayette administering day-to-day operations?

DON: And my position was, I think we need someone who looks at the parish as a whole, because we’re such a [geographically] small parish. We could have one person — a Joey Durel type person, maybe from the city, maybe not from the city. The safeguard in the Hefner plan was that you need three of the five [city council members] to vote with you, so if someone from the parish was out there trying to do harm to the city of Lafayette, he or she needed three of those five votes. Right now, with the charter that we have now, there are four people who live in the parish, five who live in the city, so Bruce is right: Someone from the parish only needs to pick up one vote from the city, and they can control the city. That’s one of the flaws in the charter.

BRUCE: And that’s happened when we signed a contract to sell water wholesale to the other communities: Walter [Comeaux] had to have one of the votes of the city council members.

Back in 1992 as the original charter commission was developing a new charter for a consolidated city and parish, many in the small towns and unincorporated Lafayette Parish crowed at the prospect of what today we call the Hefner plan — after demographer and former school board member Mike Hefner, who believes Lafayette’s City-Parish Council districts can be redrawn so there are five districts wholly within the city and four completely outside the city.
The concern then was that a city majority on the council that didn’t have to answer to constituents outside the city would monopolize the scant resources in the parish budget, which is only about 10 percent of the overall LCG budget. Consequently, the “city” districts were drawn in a way that some of those “city council” members had constituents who lived outside the city.
Bacque believes that non-city of Lafayette residents have now realized the benefits of consolidation and opposition to a Hefner-style plan would be minimal or non-existent.

DON: The only way we can amend the charter and be fair to both the city and parish is to do something similar to that — if not the Hefner plan then something similar.

BRUCE: But let’s talk reality. I have the unique perspective of having served on the City-Parish Council for five years. We talk about harmony, we talk about getting along, and it wasn’t the case. To this day it’s not the case, despite the fact that you have an all-new City-Parish Council. So, all this kumbaya and all that, it isn’t working. That’s not a reason to keep what we have together.

DON: Well it’s certainly not going to work if we split it. ...I think Bruce is completely right because politics doesn’t bring harmony. Politics by its very nature is, what’s in it for me, what’s in for my people and how can I get re-elected? By its very nature it’s selfish. At least now we’ve got one government with differing views in that government. If we’ve got two governments we’ve got differing views in two governments and that’s going to be much worse.
...In my opinion, we shouldn’t change government simply because something might happen in the future, because in politics something always happens in the future, and that’s something that we can’t control.

BRUCE: Picking up on that thread of conversation, the argument is, including my employer, this is not the ideal solution, that we need to go back to the table and revisit the issue and come up with a more viable option. Well, again, as Don just said, we don’t know the future — we absolutely don’t know...
In my mind, this might not be the perfect solution, but it’s the only option. It’s on the table today, and if we don’t accept this proposal we don’t know what the future holds for the city of Lafayette. I don’t think we’ll have any opportunity to come back and try again. It’s too uncertain.

DON: I disagree. I think there’s a strong sentiment that if we vote down deconsolidation, we come back and we amend the charter.

BRUCE: And you’ll have to have support of six of the nine council members.

DON: And I think that’s a given.

BRUCE: It wasn’t a given two years ago.

DON: But they have seen what’s happened, and so I really believe we can get six of the nine council people to decide to amend the charter because most of them feel that deconsolidation would be wrong.

Another argument central to Bacque’s crusade against the Oct. 22 proposition is that especially during these economic times the cost of running two governments is prohibitive. Bacque admits that his estimate that establishing a new parish government at a cost of $1.5 million annually is just that — an estimate — and although Conque believes Bacque’s estimate is inflated, he recognizes that two governments will necessarily cost more to operate than one.

DON: I put my numbers together based on what I believe that government would want — not what it needs but what it wants. This is another area where Bruce and I disagree. Bruce is right, it could happen that government wouldn’t cost near that much. But people are going to be running for political office based on what they can do for their people.
And so [if] someone’s running for parish president, he’s going to have people supporting him who are engineers, people supporting him or her who are attorneys, people supporting him or her who want a job with government, and when you win you get patronage. So I believe that whoever forms that government is going to want support staff; they’re not going to just want to be a parish president and seven council members.

BRUCE: On the high side — half a million a year. I think more likely, a quarter of a million. All of these things that Don brings up as additional expenses, the way the two charters have been crafted, it would allow and encourage the parish and the city to continue what we have today, which is the consolidation of services. You don’t need another public works department. Right now the parish pays the city of Lafayette about $10 million a year to provide services. There is no reason that can’t continue.

DON: Bruce is right, but it’s not going to happen. You know, you talked about kumbaya a little while ago — that’s what we’re talking about: This is a divorce. Deconsolidation is a divorce and it’s not going to be an amicable divorce.


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written by Southsider , October 12, 2011 - 10:38 am
The more i read what Bacque has to say the more i believe deconsolidation is needed. So he finally admits he is biased. Nice going Don. One MORE time. If consolidation is SO good for the parish, why haven't the other towns joined in?
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written by Compassionate One , October 12, 2011 - 11:37 am
Hey Southsider, both had a bias:

BRUCE: And I, too, had a bias
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written by Compassionate One , October 12, 2011 - 11:44 am
Very good article! Excellent article giving both sides of the issue.

One thing that seems to be missed is that LUS Director Huval does not live in the city! Personally, I don't have a problem with this. To argue that anyone living outside of the city limits cannot be a good representative of all is simply not true.

Unless, you think Mr. Huval needs to be replaced with a city resident. After all he is a "parish" director.
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written by "chew" , October 12, 2011 - 01:03 pm
It's the battle of the que's!
I favor decon but both scenarios have + and - es. In the end, I think Bruce's kumbaya argument is better than Don's; a vote now for decon gives us the best chance for tweaks that they both seem to agree on essentially.
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written by nobody , October 12, 2011 - 01:05 pm
Neither of the options on the ballot are ideal. It's a shame the commission couldn't come up with a compromise. But if we vote for the status quo, there is not going to be any political will to change the charter. Vote for the split, that will force everyone to get back to the negotiating table (because the split doesn't become effective for four years, there is time in the interim to come up with another option).
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written by James Melancon , October 12, 2011 - 03:04 pm
Resolve the issue by having City of Lafayette and the other smaller cities absorb the remaining parish. Then dissolve the Parish as a legal entity. Lafayette is the smallest parish and it's likely something like this will happen in time.
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written by historyonyx , October 12, 2011 - 03:18 pm
I believe that population growth follows land,

Outdated belief system. Urban sprawl days of big yard with 4br in a good school district is not sustainable with today's gas prices. Older people are downsizing and younger not having children, having much fewer or delaying them. The Urban Core is on the move. Step aside, Mr. Bacque. Our Non-consolidation has contributed to urban sprawl and we have the traffic nightmare to prove it. We must stop subsidizing it and focus City funds on City Infrastructure.
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written by Note , October 12, 2011 - 04:29 pm
To "Compassionate One"

Huval is not an "elected representative". He is merely an employee of the LCG.

The elected representatives of the city of Lafayette should all live within the city - and be the only ones to deal with city of Lafayette issues. That is the fundamental definition of representation.
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written by Southsider , October 12, 2011 - 07:55 pm
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written by Compassionate One , October 12, 2011 - 06:37 am
Hey Southsider, both had a bias:

BRUCE: And I, too, had a bias

I know...but Bruce's bias was for the good of the city!
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written by The Holy Goofus , October 12, 2011 - 08:17 pm
It's time to deconsolidate. Lafayette needs to control its own destiny with City residents electing City residents to make decisions that are in the best interests of the City. This goes for both the Council and the Mayor. It is ridiculous that non-City residents are currently voting on City issues.

Alternatively, if the community was really serious about consolidation...and wanted to achieve mazimum efficiency in government, then we ought to consolidate all seven local governments into one. As Don says, we are a "small parish". We don't need all these governments running around...suing one another over annexation issues, calling each names, having multiple planning commissions and building codes and officials, and just causing mayhem with politics and political dumbness.

When you really think logically about it, one governemnt woud work just fine. It would be the most efficient and effective thing we could have to represent us. Why do we need seven governments when one would work better?
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written by the original northsidian , October 12, 2011 - 10:17 pm
Even thought Bruce Konk works for the chamber, they dropped him in the grease. They are pretty good at that. Ask Michot. Vote to de-consolidate!!
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written by Gaius Cilnius Maecenas , October 13, 2011 - 12:30 am
Walter:

Unbelievable article! Could you do a Power Point Presentation of Consolidation vs. De-Consolidation or Seven Governments vs. One Government?

This minute, detailed analyses, presented immaculately by you, exceeds attention capacity of our multi-media brains. This too important not to digest! It is our Future!
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written by James Melancon , October 13, 2011 - 01:23 am
by historyonyx

"I believe that population growth follows land,"
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Not sure what this means but most population is on land.


by historyonyx
"Outdated belief system. Urban sprawl days of big yard with 4br in a good school district is not sustainable with today's gas prices".
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I don't see that this has much, if anything, to do with the issue.
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written by Middle of the Road , October 13, 2011 - 02:51 am
Youngsville can tell me what
to do, but I can't tell Youngsville
what to do. Explain?
Vote "Yes."
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written by NORTHSIDIAN SHOTGUN , October 13, 2011 - 03:59 am
Its gobbley-Gook, James Melancon. It has all to do with eliminating encroachment ( TOO LATE, cronys ) on the city by the parish, Therefore, losing control of the present system of HILTERISM rule concocted by tunnel vision entrepignurs with Durel, the Dangler on the strings.
Now the same Duncan YO-YO's have Joey out with his Tin Cup B-S-ING the population, hear ye, hear ye, of the doomsdays ahead for the City of Lafayette. Hah The DUREL ADMINISTRATION has promoted every under the radar spurt of growth and crony projects occurring in this City, and totally disregarding and causing turmoil tween the city residents and the parish residents when if you stop and think on this, Lafayette cannot be self-sufficient, without the taxes from the parish and don't try to tell me the LAF. City's taxes stay in the city, and that the Parish taxes go to suffice the parish needs, that is B_S ! The city has fared very well, lets give thanks to the parish citizens outside the city boundarys, for their financial input to the city, with the money laid-out in the businesses of Lafayette.
Lafayette has only been stifled by the rein-in control of the governing administration by the " Crony Rat Pack.
You all certainly know who in the hell. I am speaking of again in Anglais.
The PuppetMeister's. I say it again slow learnts, in plain Anglais, the Mode Lode is drying up, due to the extensiveness of the Dureless reign. So. If ! You cannot see the ruse here by the manipulators of this down-trodden administration, line-up for your slow learnt checks. Oh, if you think you may not qualify for a slow learnt check for you, and your future do-do's chirin, bring your last parish election voted poll list, and present it to whoever has the newest permit to the concession, clue " ZOOSHLAGSMEISTER ! HAH, Oh, and also bring your empty used up "KY tube with proof of purchase dated during the DUREL Administration, which you used up during the Durel Reign.
Hah, Naw I did'nt you would. MULLETS !
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written by historyonyx , October 13, 2011 - 12:04 pm
James Melancon: The issue is growth. Bacque assumes that growth will only happen where there is empty farm land or out in the outskirts. Higher density inner core growth needs to happen here or we have Houston 1 1/2 commutes. (we're almost there and that is fueling inner growth already) You've heard all that talk about "Redevelopment". Developers here are just used to buying up farm land cheaply. Realtors don't even care to promote properties like condos, much less high rise apartments and flats, bc they are stuck in the 1960s real estate family model. Their practices and expectations will have to change.
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written by Cajunhiker , October 13, 2011 - 12:48 pm
It's better to stick together and stay as one rather than the more dangerous and costly course of separating and dividing our resources.
Staying together is always better when you are lost.
A divided gov't will cost ALL of us more money.
I look at the control issues as a form of check and balance for the city and parish interests.
Just as parish councilmen vote on city issues (LUS), so do city councilmen vote on parish issues (subdivision development, PARISH court house & jail).
Everything is inter-related and effects all of us because we physically live so close together. We may live in the parish for better schools but work in the city for better jobs, or vice versus.
In other words, for example, a vote by a parish councilman on a LUS rate hike affects a parish resident who works in the city where that rate hike effects his employer and thus that employees potential wages because of the added expense of the rate hike for the city employer.
Everything we do effects each other.
Vote No on Oct. 22nd. Keep gov't consolidated.
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written by Andrew M. Hebert , October 13, 2011 - 02:39 pm
Cajunhiker, you are right.

The “parish” writes the “check” and the “City” pays the “balance”.

It appears you believe that the British should still be ruling over the United States.

This City of Lafayette Declaration of Independence from Parish rule is about taxation with equal representation.

City of Lafayette leaders, taxes and laws should only be under the control of City of Lafayette Registered Voters.

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written by Gaius Cilnius Maecenas , October 13, 2011 - 04:35 pm
To the Group:

Without going into all these dirty, muddy details here, can anyone present as objective of a picture as possible of what this is about?

Or shall I have to do it? I would hate to contaminate my mind with the tedious, boring & monotonous mental crap of local government minutiae!

This really is VERY, VERY Important!!! We really do need to understand how our collective & individual well-being is impacted internally & externally. To penetrate this Issue is like playing four or five dimensional chess.
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written by Gaius Cilnius Maecenas , October 13, 2011 - 07:36 pm
To the Group:

I have performed the unpardonable: I mastered these significant common points. Thanks to Walter's article here, and his editorial for this week, and the, unusually, non-acrimonious observations of Don Bacque & Bruce Conque, this was not as difficult as I thought it would be.

Don Bacque is a political realist. To state he has a Machiavellian apprehension of local politics would be an over-statement. However, he realizes the role expediency, deceit & cunning play in "politics." He takes it as a given.

Bruce Conque is a patrician aristocrat; he is cut in the mold of the Athenian Pericles [ca. 495-429 BCE]. He wants what is "best" for both the Parish and the City of Lafayette, presently and futurely.

Now the source of the tension: population & council seats!

The population growth is switching to the Parish land areas outside of the City of Lafayette's limits.

Population of city residents: 52%
Population of outside-city parish residents: 27%

Representation of the 52% [city residents] is: 5 council members
Representation of the 27% [parish non-city residents] is: 4 council members.

The Solution is obvious: Make the Parish and the City of Lafayette contiguous. Eliminate all these other pseudo-towns (which are really no more than suburbs). Draw each area of representation (nine areas) from the core of downtown Lafayette to the outer limits of the parish boundary.

The present model serves neither the interest of the citizens of the City of Lafayette, nor the citizens of the Parish of Lafayette! However, it should be stated that it is the citizens of the City of Lafayette, who are being screwed. They are, essentially, paying for the "free" government that the dumbasses living in hick-rural areas and podunk towns receive. They, also, have (almost) equal weight in representation on the Parish Council [4 votes vs. 5 votes], despite the less than 1/3 population demographics.

I would recommend Deconsolidation: Lafayette is being screwed by this arrangement! However, This will force the dumbasses wanting cheap land and a free ride from the City of Lafayette's Government with an over Representation to boot, to come to the bargaining table, and draw up a sensible, fair plan where everyone pays their dues!

Bruce Conque has the greater moral position!
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written by Southsider , October 14, 2011 - 12:34 am
Gaius..the podunks are dumbasses, our city of lafayette is! They are geniuses.What else would you call a city that just yesterday agreed to provide city of lafayette water to non-residents of the city, all without having to pay city of lafayette taxes! Its genius i tell ya.Once again, LUS and the city are screwing its own. Once again, city residents subsidizing the podunks..Now, who is the dumbass and who are the geniuses? I rest my case. I think i'll move to Broussard to get that city water without paying city of lafayette tax, plus no property tax, plus no LPSB tax should it pass, plus have the city residents continue to pay for roads/bridges, animal control, etc. ..what a deal they have huh.....
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written by Gaius Cilnius Maecenas , October 14, 2011 - 01:03 am
Southsider:

Excellent point! I used harsh language purposely to elicit such lucid comments as yours as to whom is being screwed. Why I am for Deconsolidation! Unload the parasites!
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written by Southsider , October 14, 2011 - 02:30 am
whoops...typo...correction...should read...the podunk AREN'T dumbasses.....
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written by NORTHSIDIAN SHOTGUN , October 14, 2011 - 02:50 am
How utterly stupid painted in a childs scrawl smear of crayola ! PaINTED BY DUMB AND DUMBER OF THE DUMBEST, If you are that naive to believe that if one removed the outlying population outside the city limits the city would be self supportive. What a Dumblink by you two, southsideer an Gaius. If you have not noticed that the local city citizens, that is 60 % of the population peeps shop in Vegas and Boulder or in sunny Valencia, and not at your local Dilliards, Penneys, and Wally Worlds, pray tell where would you get your ex-lge. Economic 16 roll one-ply pkg.size of Charmin. The basis for businesses setting up their business in this city, " Is due to the growth surrounding the city, DUH ! These are the peeps who support Lafayette's tax base, spending their sweat earned money by shopping at the city's businesses. I can say this " My friends and I dine out to the tune of a couple of g's monthly per each couple, and one g by each couple for entertainment multiply this by eight couples add in generous gratuitys, Id say we drop more money in the city each month than some peeps earn in a month, C`est La Vie for those who paid the price of the ride.
And we live outside the contaminated area.
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written by barb , October 14, 2011 - 02:57 am
how are the people who donated money to Brandon Shelvin's campain going to vote?
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written by Rinkelstein , October 14, 2011 - 01:07 pm
Northsidian, aka Mike Stagg, is still completely wrong about mostly everything that he comments on, not to mention a complete pain is the ass to attempt to comprehend what drivel he is spewing.

Vote to deconsolidate.
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written by Gaius Cilnius Maecenas , October 14, 2011 - 02:35 pm
NORTHSIDIAN SHOTGUN:

Can you translate your sentiments in recognizable English? You might actually have something important to say that we should factor in.

As for your DUMB slogan, this works better: The Most Dumb teach the More Dumb, who, in turn, teach the Dumb!
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written by James Melancon , October 14, 2011 - 05:48 pm
written by historyonyx
James Melancon: The issue is growth.
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Growth? I don't see this as the primary issue. It is about governmental administration. Do we have two or one?

Given the size and dynamics of the parish, I am going with one.
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written by Gaius Cilnius Maecenas , October 14, 2011 - 07:37 pm
Monsieur Melancon:

Can you further elaborate on your lucid observation? Am I correct in asserting that now we have "one" administration; and with 'Deconsolidation' we will have "two" administrations. Who pays for the second Administration?---both the citizens of the City of Lafayette and the outside city Parish residents, or, just the "outside" Parish resident citizens.

I have learned to value your contributions here, James!
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written by snaildarter , October 14, 2011 - 10:08 pm
Where does Durel stand on this issue?

Last week on his radio show he said he refused to say if he was for deconsolidation or status quo. By definition of the term "status quo", he would be for status quo, but he (and his group of star-chamber-pot-of-commerce) could be planning to stack the deck in their favor either way.

Get "Independent" ya'll and find out what Durel really wants and why.
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written by Gaius Cilnius Maecenas , October 14, 2011 - 10:28 pm
Snaildarter:

It is my understanding, he is for the status-quo! Do I err in this judgment? I am waiting for Monsieur Melancon's reply.
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written by historyonyx , October 15, 2011 - 01:10 am
James Melancon: it was Bacque who said these things and based his decision on growth issues. He ignores the issue that growth in old Lafayette is necessary and doesn't even think it could ever happen. Look at any big city and find that after years of neglect, a downtown area revives and recovers and more people move in. That is done horizontal in high rise buildings instead of sprawling out to the country. And it aint cheap but it happens. That is already happening here and Mr. Bacque either don't get it or don't like it. No more cheap land in the country because they'll have to pay for services and no more cheap land in the "inner core" where everything is happening. And the mayor is an idiot to be suprised at the opposition he faced in trying to steal Townfolk property with his "blight" bill or his "redevelopment". But that's because he "not in his element on the north side". (translate: don't have a clue! don't want to be there! don't care!) That comment is gonna hurt him on election day. Uppity Lafayette will see to it that he cannot move up in state politics.
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written by Gaius Cilnius Maecenas , October 16, 2011 - 05:38 pm
To the Group:

I just saw a slick ad for the "status quo" on Fox. I presume 'Deconsolidation' will lose. The human mind, when confronted with an "unknown" and an unjust "known," will always choose the known evil over something new.
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written by Worldly One , October 17, 2011 - 05:09 pm
Instead of the ignorance of deconsolidation, we should be working towards true consolidation. Extend the city limits of lafayette to the parish line...
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written by relocator , October 17, 2011 - 06:05 pm
I moved to Lafayette 2 1/2 years ago. I'm originally from Monroe. If you want "separate" governments then I suggest you move there. I watched for almost 20 years Monroe and West Monroe disagree about EVERYTHING! They can't even decided on where to put a freakin' bridge over the little river that divides them! Monroe was larger than Lafayette 30 years ago. Consolidated government has been THE most important factor in Lafayette's growth. I've LIVED the other side and I just hope you cajun folk get over your spoiled selves and LEAVE it be. Adjust if it you need to but don't throw the baby out with the bathwater! Unless you want to be Monroe / West Monroe!
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written by Walter Pierce , October 17, 2011 - 06:42 pm
You're comparing apples to oranges, relocator.
Monroe and West Monroe are separate cities on either side of the Ouachita River.
Lafayette Consolidated Government is the city of Lafayette and unincorporated Lafayette Parish. Huge difference.
Lafayette has grown and prospered in spite of consolidation, not because of it.
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written by Gaius Cilnius Maecenas , October 17, 2011 - 08:31 pm
Walter:

Thanks for the clarification. I had fallen for the bait! I still like Worldly One's prophetic injunctive to us. It mirrors one of my first observations here. I do not dismiss Bruce's concerns to us in your splendid article on this issue. Thanks for keeping it "real" here!
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written by James Melancon , October 18, 2011 - 12:24 pm
by Worldly One "Extend the city limits of lafayette to the parish line..."
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Amen. Up to a point multiple governments make sense, i.e. states, cities, parishes but given our situation (city and parish), a complete unification seems logical.
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written by James Melancon , October 18, 2011 - 12:35 pm
by Gaius Cilnius Maecenas

Am I correct in asserting that now we have "one" administration; and with 'Deconsolidation' we will have "two" administrations. Who pays for the second Administration?
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Correct me if I am wrong but we now have a one-ish administration. Why not complete the process.

Who pays? With two over lapping governments, I assume everyone in the parish pays for the parish. And then you have the privilege of paying for your local city, if any.
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written by Way North , October 21, 2011 - 06:58 pm
Talk about a waste! I do not understand why the Charter Commission was deliberately spiked with admittedly bias members to come up with a total non-plan. My property is unincorporated, but I fully understand the city is the straw that stirs the drink. I freely express this sentiment to my councilman. Let's swallow the bitter pill and truly consolidate with one mayor, one council, one police force, one fire department, etc. This will never happen if we deconsolidate now.
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