News -> Cover Story

Tea Time?

CoverWednesday, November 9, 2011

Fresh off perceived victories in the Oct. 22 primary, Tea Party Republicans look to increase their influence in Lafayette Consolidated Government. But the centrists are fighting back. By Walter Pierce

The fundraisers last night — Tuesday, Nov. 8 — couldn’t have been more different. Over white linen at iMonelli Restaurant on Johnston Street, Jared Doise — fit, groomed and well-tailored — mingles with supporters. The holder of an MBA from UL and a chain of successful bars in Lafayette, Doise is fêted by the Hub City’s well-healed mainstream Republicans for his Nov. 19 runoff election for the City-Parish Council’s District 6 seat.

A stone’s throw up Johnston at Emmanuel Baptist Church in what harkens back to an old-fashioned pot-luck dinner, Andy Naquin, Doise’s bearded and grandfatherly runoff opponent, is the beneficiary of his own fundraiser. Tea Party supporters, still relishing their perceived success at the ballot box on Oct. 22, are on hand.

The contrast between the two fundraisers is stark, and deceptive. Campaign finance reports filed with the Louisiana Ethics Board suggest that while Naquin is waging the “grass roots,” Tea Party-style campaign, he is by bounds the better-financed candidate. Doise’s most recent report suggests he has loaned his campaign more than it has taken in. In the reporting period Oct. 3-30, which straddles the Oct. 22 general election, Naquin took in nearly $16,000 in campaign contributions. Almost a quarter of that haul was in donations from the Acadian Home Builders Association and private construction companies. (Naquin has sold building materials at Doug Ashy for two decades and has no doubt made a lot of connections and friendships within the industry, although a source says there’s likely more to the largesse from builders than mere business relationships. That source says the builders may be looking for an ally in the upcoming master planning process, someone to stymie stricter planning and zoning codes — “some influence as to how tight the restrictions can be or how loose they can be.”)

But the funding in this very local election may have changed over the last few days, and it could be a bellwether for Republican politics in Lafayette for the near term as the mainstream, old-line GOP presses back against an incursion of Tea Party influence.

Led by a trio of parishwide elected officials including the District 6 incumbent ousted in the primary, Lafayette’s mainstream Republicans, arguably the majority political bloc in the parish, began rallying behind Doise in an effort to check the Tea Party, although polling data don’t suggest that the Tea Party of Lafayette, which issued endorsements and took positions on parishwide referenda, galvanized voters or affected outcomes on Oct. 22.

The rally round Doise began this past Friday when City-Parish President Joey Durel, fresh off a resounding re-election victory, emailed supporters urging them to get behind Doise.

“If you are a supporter of mine and voted for me in this past election, please don’t send me another person that is simply ‘against,’” Durel writes in a not-so-shrouded dig at Tea Party council incumbents Jared Bellard (District 5) and William Theriot (District 9), both of whom narrowly won their re-election bids a couple of weeks ago and who have positioned themselves as the most fiscally conservative members of the CPC. “[S]end someone that will work with the other councilmen and I to help continue the momentum Lafayette has going for it right now.

Send us someone that truly understands what the private sector of our community needs to succeed.”

Friday’s letter was a remarkable gambit by Durel, who as best we know has never taken sides in an election pitting fellow members of the GOP. It was extraordinary on many levels, not the least of which is Durel’s lifelong albeit casual friendship with Naquin. “[I]t is a difficult thing that I do now,” Durel writes. “My friend has been campaigning against so many things that we have done and worked hard to accomplish, primarily against LUS.”

Then over the weekend, letters from Parish Assessor Conrad Comeaux, another moderate Republican and former parish councilman, began arriving in the mailboxes of supporters. “Friends, government can work most effectively with leaders like Jared who have management experience, who understand the importance of teamwork and who possess vision,” Comeaux writes. “Divisiveness without compromise has no place in government. Opportunities are missed, citizens go unserved and growth and economic development falter.”

Like Durel, Comeaux has serious misgivings about the Tea Party’s prerogatives. But the tax assessor is particularly put off by a paragraph in a fundraising letter Naquin mailed to supporters the week after the primary: “My opponent and his wife are just embarking on their life together, and have no children yet,” Naquin writes. “I sincerely hope they will be blessed with children and experience the joys and challenges of parenthood at some time in the future. We feel blessed to have had these experiences in raising our three daughters to adulthood.”

“You don’t do that. That’s wrong,” Comeaux says of Naquin’s reference to the Doises not having children. “Everything else in that letter, I can’t take issue with — that’s politics. But that, that crossed the line.” In his letter, Comeaux characterizes the Naquin paragraph as “going beyond anyone’s definition of decency. It is and was intended as a backhanded insult...”

The balance of Naquin’s Oct. 26 letter more or less makes the case in Tea Party talking points that he’s the anti-tax, small-government, fewer-regulations candidate while Doise is the “progressive,” a facsimile of how the Tea Party characterized District 6 incumbent Republican Sam Doré’s “agenda of new taxes without a vote of the people, more taxpayer funds for non-governmental purposes and increased government intervention in the economy.” (Doré placed third in the primary and will be out of office in January after one term.)

Lest we forget: Joey Durel is a Republican. Conrad Comeaux is a Republican. Sam Doré, Andy Naquin and Jared Doise, Republicans.

Increasingly, this is the new dynamic in the GOP, and we’re seeing it play out here in Lafayette: centrist Republicans versus the Tea Party, with all the branding and baggage that go along with it. Each side in the District 6 runoff is painting the opposition in broad, unflattering strokes, ignoring nuances in favor of ideological damnation. Naquin isn’t a member of the Tea Party of Lafayette but says he has a fidelity with many of its small-government, less taxes positions — the ideology of “against,” as Durel puts it. Doise, meanwhile, is a self-described “progressive Republican,” which in the Tea Party parlance Naquin is using against him is code for liberal.

“When you get right down to it, there’s a lot of people in the Tea Party who don’t want taxes period. But they want services,” Comeaux laments, adding that he believes the foothold gained in local politics by the Tea Party “puts the progress of Lafayette Parish perilously close to being stifled.”

In his Friday email, Durel cites Lafayette being named the sixth fastest-growing economy in the U.S. with the sixth fastest-growing middle class, urging supporters not to “elect someone that would jeopardize these kinds of accomplishments that this community is achieving.”

On Tuesday Doré joined Durel and Comeaux in endorsing Doise.?Doré says Doise “is much closer to the way I thought and acted the last four years,” although Doré is clearly still smarting from what he believes was a negative campaign waged by Naquin.


US VERSUS THEM

So how much influence did the Tea Party movement have on election outcomes in Lafayette on Oct. 22? Superficially, theirs was a convincing success: The school tax and deconsolidation, both of which the Tea Party of Lafayette opposed, went down in flames. Theriot and Bellard, both endorsed by TPL, won re-election to the council.

But sifting the finer grains of Oct. 22’s results, it’s hard to find evidence that voters were steeped in Tea Party sentiment. TPL-endorsed candidate Craig Spikes lost decisively in District 8 to Durel-aligned incumbent Republican Keith Patin, and incumbent Republican Don Bertrand in District 7 coasted to re-election over two candidates, one of whom, Joan Beduze, while not endorsed by TPL was more or less a Tea Party candidate. Moreover, Bellard and Theriot, as incumbents, had a built-in advantage over the political rookies who ran against them, and the school tax was doomed from the get-go.

Overall voter turnout in Lafayette Parish was 33.5 percent, slightly higher than the composite 32.9 percent turnout in precincts where Bellard, Spikes, Theriot and Andy Naquin ran the strongest. And the vote against the school tax was essentially the same overall in the parish and in those “Tea Party precincts.” Only the margin against deconsolidation, at 69.5 percent, was higher in the Tea Party precincts than it was overall in the parish at 63.3.

These are not figures to hang a three-cornered hat on.

But Durel et al aren’t taking chances. The Tea Party faction on the CPC — Bellard and Theriot — has been a thorn in Durel’s side for nearly four years, voting against purchasing the horse farm and funding the comprehensive plan, and generally cool if not antipathetic to LUS and especially LUS Fiber. The moderates see Naquin as an extension of that “against” impulse.

Naquin, of course, sees it differently.

“He’s looking for a yes man, and I’m not a yes man,” Naquin says of the city-parish president, adding that he wasn’t surprised by Durel’s email endorsing Doise. “I’m not going to walk in there with a pre-set vote because somebody wants me to vote a certain way.”

In the campaign leading up to the primary, Naquin framed Doré as a Durel “yes man,” a proxy for an administration that has favored tax increment financing districts — “a tax without a vote of the people,” as Naquin’s Tea Party talking point goes — and funding non-governmental organizations. It’s a mantle the Naquin campaign is aggressively placing on Doise, who isn’t running from it.

“It’s so awesome,” Doise says of his newfound support among the Republican establishment. “I’ve been the underdog from day one in this race, and for those kind of folks — wonderful, well-respected folks like Conrad Comeaux, Joey Durel, the chamber — to all endorse me, it’s humbling, but at the same time it’s wonderful.” Doise’s pride in getting the endorsement of the Greater Lafayette Chamber of Commerce — a lightning rod for the Tea Party and the embodiment of Lafayette’s center-right politics — is perhaps the most telling sign that the Nov. 19 runoff, for the mainstream GOP, is an inter-party contest of “us against them.” For Durel and Comeaux, Doise is “us” and Naquin is “them.”

“It’s rather funny to hear that considering how liberal the chamber is regarding taxes,” Naquin says. “As far as the Tea Party, I’m not a member, but I don’t think it hurts me because they’re for smaller government, less taxes, more efficiency, more responsibility. Name me one thing that’s bad in that regard.”

“I think it’s a shame that the Tea Party first attacked the incumbent and now they’re attacking me and my wife,” Doise adds. “I was hoping that this campaign could be run based on merit and who was the best educated and the best candidate; who has created the most jobs and who would be the most effective in the District 6 seat.”

How would the moderate Doré have fared against Naquin had Doise not been in the primary? Probably better. He may have even won. Some politicos have observed that Doré took the race for granted, assuming that Lafayette’s relatively strong economic showing and his alignment with Durel, who sailed to re-election on Oct. 22, would carry the day. Conventional wisdom says the presence of another moderate Republican siphoned votes from Doré.

“Absolutely all Tea Party,” Doré says when asked to characterize Naquin’s primary campaign. “I never voted for a tax. [Naquin] said I voted for every tax that came my way. Well, that’s technically true because I never voted for one; none ever came my way.”

So it’s us against them on Nov. 19, a frame that mostly fits the portraits of the candidates: Naquin is opposed to LCG funding of NGOs and thinks the comprehensive master plan can be done internally without the projected expense, although he says he strongly favors the horse farm deal.

But the nuances in this race are many. Doise isn’t a pro-tax liberal and Naquin isn’t a hard-line teabagger. Yet the narrative is established — center-right versus hard right — and each side appears ready to embrace his role.

“I feel like they’re standing for what I’m standing for,” Naquin says about the Tea Party of Lafayette. “Have we seen openness in government in the last eight years? Just ask the people on Sunbeam Lane what they think about openness.”

coverstory2When you get right down to it, there’s a lot of people in the Tea Party who don’t want taxes period. But they want services.
— Assessor Conrad Comeaux



coverstory1If you are a supporter of mine and voted for me in this past election, please don’t send me another person that is simply “against.”
— City-Parish President Joey Durel

 
NUMBER CRUNCH:
 
555 - Combined margin of victory in votes for Tea Party-backed incumbent councilmen Jared Bellard (District 5) and William Theriot (District 9) on Oct. 22 out of a total of 10,235 votes cast

1,600 - Margin of victory in votes for incumbent District 8 Councilman Keith Patin over Tea Party-backed challenger Craig Spikes out of 7,040 votes cast


Walter Pierce
About the author:


Comments (48)add
...
written by TdouchebagSUCK , November 09, 2011 - 11:44 am
The Tdouchebag Party doesn't represent American principles. Anyone who thinks they do is a moron, blinded by television, or a traitor to the prinicples that our Founding Fathers stood for. If you can't see that you're #%$&ing stupid. Turn off your television, traitors.
...
written by ragin_cajun , November 09, 2011 - 02:28 pm
Walter --

Did you actually attend either one of the fundraisers last night?
...
written by Compassionate One , November 09, 2011 - 03:18 pm
When you get right down to it, there’s a lot of people in the Tea Party who don’t want taxes period. But they want services.
— Assessor Conrad Comeaux
----

No, Conrad, many think we already pay enough in taxes. Note the recent school board tax defeat-Not all Tea Party "AGAINST" votes.

But, You, Durel, & The Chamber continue this insatiable appetite for more. When is it enough? Not after your HUGE reassesments three years ago? When the Chamber and Durel have all commercial areas under TIFS?

You are very condesending to those who disagree with you and Durel. If only the taxpayers were as elightened as you. But you have had government employment most of your life. So, I don't expect you to understand.

Doise initially ran as a conservative finishing second. Now with the powers behind him, he has become a progressive. I much prefer someone who has core beliefs and sticks to them, regardless of political opportunities.
...
written by Observer , November 09, 2011 - 04:54 pm
So if Doise likes Sam so much and thinks he is such a great guy, why did he run against him?
...
written by RCajunrunner , November 09, 2011 - 05:36 pm
First off, certainly wouldn't be a real article from the IND about the tea party supporters without some name-calling by the author(s).

Now, regarding Mr. Doise, I don't know him, but he seems like a nice enough guy. My understanding is that one of his reasons for running against Dore was he wanted to stand up and fight for a business sector, the bars and nightclubs, which were being unfairly scape-goated by too many of the "elitists" in Lafayette.

So now begs the question, why is he aligning with politicians who were part of the movement to pass increased restrictions and increased "fees" on bar owners?
...
written by Compassionate One , November 09, 2011 - 05:43 pm
Ragin,

He wasn't at Imonelli's.
...
written by the original northsidian , November 09, 2011 - 06:36 pm
Because gamblers work the spead. Duh!
...
written by the original northsidian , November 09, 2011 - 06:42 pm
Cropo-ko-mo should be spending time getting so called farm land properly appraised. And every one already knows he and jo-jo are arrogant little piss-ants!
...
written by Lafayette , November 09, 2011 - 06:47 pm
The Tea'ers want our fine city to become a generic, uncultured, boring, wal-mart type of town you would find in Mississippi or Alabama. Nothing is free - you pay for what you get. Personally, I like our town and certainly do not want it run into the ground by a bunch of stale ideologies. Over generalizing is taking the easy way out. Do some work, look at the issues, then make decisions. The job is more than saying "no" to everything. Jared had my vote along with all my family and friends (been here 50 years so that is a lot of people). Thanks Independent once again for reminding us that this is a very important election.
...
written by the original northsidian , November 09, 2011 - 08:07 pm
My spelling and typing skills are lacking
today, sorry!

...
written by BU , November 09, 2011 - 09:05 pm
The Sportsman's Paradise is starting to remind me of another failed state that's been in the news this year...

State of Louisiana = Egypt
Multinational Energy Companies = United States Government
Louisiana GOP Party = Egyptian Military
Bobby Jindal = Hosni Mubarak
The Tea Party = Muslim Brotherhood
Saints, LSU, UL football = Islam
Poor blacks = Copts
Oil = Oil

(I'd put one up for the La Democratic party but I don't know the Egyptian equivalent of the Easter Bunny.)
...
written by baseball3 , November 09, 2011 - 09:40 pm
This race, and all the others have nothing at all to do with R's and D's and TP's....It's only about which group wants Durel to continue upon his Godfather path and which group wants a free thinker who doesn't represent the LCG but the taxpayer. It will take more time (since everybody wants to be an R) for the groups to splinter off into what they actually are: Liberal R's and Conservative R's...Meanwhile there are those out there who can't wait for Durel to be term limited four years from now so that we can start to undo the damage, such as patting himself on the back for Lafayette moving up on some the economic lists while the LCG's reputation as a governmental entity is in the toilet. From unethical behavior, to lawsuits from prospective businesses, to tacky support of candidates, the Godfather has eaten one too many cannolis.
...
written by ragin_cajun , November 09, 2011 - 11:04 pm
I think that you all give "the tea party" way too much thought and attention. Especially you, Walter. You all sound paranoid.

"Oh, NO!!! It's the TEA PARTY! They're gonna burn all the art and outlaw abortions! Next thing you know, they're gonna let BP drill on Jefferson Street!"

So tell us Walter, have you figured out yet how the Koch Brothers play into all this? Follow the money, buddy! We can't have Freedom Works corrupting our Council elections!



...
written by nobody , November 09, 2011 - 11:43 pm
The more support Andy Naquin gets on comment boards, the better I feel about my vote for Doise.
...
written by Angel , November 10, 2011 - 12:51 am
I don't care what Naquin stands for. He is a terrible person to send out a letter like that. Win at any cost...I hope the people of Lafayette do not vote for such a vile person.
...
written by prilosexy , November 10, 2011 - 01:30 am
Well said baseball3!! The contractors are not trying to skirt metro code. They are tired of special rules for Durel's developer cronies. The city attorney, is also attorney for LHA, is also on the board that gives government money to developers, is also the attorney for the developers getting the money, also votes on planning and zoning to pass special waivers for Durel Pet Projects, and then, get to do the closing on the major developments, probably billing the developer and the city both for the same work!! Not to mention only the Angelles get the big contracts for architects and there is no bidding. Durel wants a YES MAN to keep up his grip on all developments in this community. Some can't wait for Durel to term out; there are other avenues.....
...
written by RCajunrunner , November 10, 2011 - 02:34 pm
Something that caught my eye in this article:

"Campaign finance reports filed with the Louisiana Ethics Board suggest that while Naquin is waging the “grass roots,” Tea Party-style campaign, he is by bounds the better-financed candidate."

So maybe this is trying to set up Doise as the champion underdog? But later in the article:

"Moreover, Bellard and Theriot, as incumbents, had a built-in advantage over the political rookies who ran against them, and the school tax was doomed from the get-go."

What do the financial reports from Theriot and Campbell reveal? From what I understand, Walter Campbell out-spent William Theriot 3 to 1, so who had the built in advantage?

The Durel Administration and Chamber Empower crowd threw everything they could at Theriot, and he still came out ahead. He fought off the machine and the media. Looks like Naquin's going to have to do the same.
...
written by ragin_cajun , November 10, 2011 - 04:47 pm
RCajunrunner --

"Something that caught my eye in this article"

I'm sure A LOT caught your eye in this article :)

What I find just hysterical is that a committed leftist goes to write an "article" about the influence of the tea party in local elections. So he picks up the phone and calls...THE TAX ASSESSOR! That's where I'D go for a quote on the local anti-tax crowd...:)





...
written by ?????????? , November 10, 2011 - 04:53 pm
is it possible that all of these negative comments and personal assaults from both sides is the very reason that no one worthy of the office is willing to run???????

proud of yourselves??????? REALLY??????
...
written by ragin_cajun , November 10, 2011 - 05:40 pm
no, that's not possible at all...i think no one worthy is willing to run because the pay is so low. it's a lot of trouble, a LOT of meetings, a part time job that precludes you from travelling for your REAL full time job. so you can't quit your day job for $25,000/yr part time council job, but you can't tell your boss at your regular job "I can't travel anymore because I have to be home for council meetings at LEAST one night a week, probably two."

That limits the people who are eligible to run for council drastically.
...
written by Walter Pierce , November 10, 2011 - 06:07 pm
To ragin_cajun and Campassiionate One,
I attended neither fundraiser and should have indicated in the copy the events were "likely" as I characterized them, although I've been told by folks who attended each that the descriptions were sufficiently accurate. The introduction to the story was intended to establish the contrasts between the two sides in the campaign.
And ragin, Conrad Comeaux is in the story because he's a moderate Republican elected official like Durel who is taking an (as far as I can tell) unprecedented side in a council election. Surely you can appreciate that this is germane to the story, his job as assessor notwithstanding.
...
written by ragin_cajun , November 10, 2011 - 07:04 pm
Walter --

I really mean this, I'm not joking, or exaggerating for comedic/dramatic effect. I'm dead serious.

What Conrad Comeaux has to say is not germane to anything.

You know I'm right, Walter. Go ahead and admit it. I dare ya..:)
...
written by Democrat Lite , November 10, 2011 - 07:39 pm
Joey - Conrad and Sam are all democrates who put an R behind their name just to run for office and fool the voters. NONE of them even knew there was a republican party until they called and needed help to win office. The in now way represent anything the party stands for. They are nothing but opportunist.
...
written by barb , November 10, 2011 - 07:46 pm
When Durel ran he said what we need is someone who whould run Government like a business. The problem is he looks at the wrong bottom line. He thinks intake of taxes is what he is being graded on and will raise taxes at every chance. He has never cut waist or made Government more productive.
...
written by Troy , November 10, 2011 - 07:52 pm
I am not in the tea party and like some of their ideas and think some or crazy. I think Naquin is a better fit for district 6 and Lafayette and wish the media and other elected officials would stop makeing up stuff as they go and let us choose. I voted for Dore' and yall talked me into Naquin for the next go around. Sorry Doise, I don't like all the bullying.
...
written by photographer , November 10, 2011 - 07:59 pm
Love Joey's Pic. It looks just like he sounds on the radio. It should make party girl
...
written by wow , November 10, 2011 - 08:10 pm
First Doise hates Dore'. Then he loves Dore'. No body cares about the district 6 race. Now its more important then the Governors race. Joey and company always said the T Party was a bunch of idiots. Now they are the most well oiled machine to ever hit Lafayette. Every body running is a Republican. None of them were Republicans very long. We don't no who is liberal. Thanks Walter, I think I got it.
...
written by ragin_cajun , November 10, 2011 - 08:58 pm
I love these comments. I really do.

". Joey and company always said the T Party was a bunch of idiots. Now they are the most well oiled machine to ever hit Lafayette. " That's it. So which is it? Anyone care to answer?

"Joey - Conrad and Sam are all democrates who put an R behind their name just to run for office and fool the voters. " I knew Durel was an ex-Democrat, and I figured Conrad was, too, but I didn't really know. Now I do know.

So what about that, Walter? Is it true that all the "old line GOP" officials you mention in this story are actually a bunch of "old line Democrats"? Does that information change your estimation of what's going on in Lafayette politics?


...
written by Walter Pierce , November 10, 2011 - 09:12 pm
Not at all, ragin. Dore did in fact switch right before he ran in the special election in 2009 and Durel at some point in the past was a Dem, but I think his switch to R far predated his entry into politics. I'm not sure about Comeaux.
But Dems switching to Repubs has been a familiar phenomenon in Louisiana politics going back at least to Buddy Roemer in 1990. And irrespective of whether the "old line" GOP likes it, once these guys switch, they're Republicans and they affect the ideological constitution of the party. The much more recent phenomenon obviously is the Tea Party, which most people I presume would agree is the right flank within the party.
We've see this centrist GOP versus Tea Party dynamic playing out nationally for about two years. Now we're seeing it here in Lafayette. That's the point of the analysis.
To me it doesn't matter when the zebras changed their stripes. They're all zebras. "Zoologically" speaking.
...
written by Compassionate One , November 10, 2011 - 10:06 pm
So Walter, why is it the centrist GOP versus the right?

Wouldn't it be more accurate to say the Left wing of the GOP versus the Right Wing?

And tell us more about the two fundraisers. Inquiring minds want to know! How was the turnout? Any big name pols in attendance?
...
written by Walter Pierce , November 10, 2011 - 10:30 pm
The left wing of the GOP. That would be the centrists wouldn't you agree?
...
written by Compassionate One , November 10, 2011 - 11:59 pm
The left wing of the GOP. That would be the centrists wouldn't you agree?
--

Centrists in general, but not center right. More of a left-right....sounds like a dance step.
...
written by Southsider , November 11, 2011 - 01:04 am
Where is my popcorn. Quite a pissing match between Water, RC and CO...now where is that popcorn....
...
written by ragin_cajun , November 11, 2011 - 02:04 pm
Walter --

With all due respect, what YOU consider to be "centrist" is invalid. You are too biased to look at these two groups of people and correctly identify the center. And as readers here, how can we evaluate whether you're correct or not when you won't say how you define the terms "left", "right", and "center"?

What issues and what policy positions delineate "left" from "right" in the GOP? And once you've told us that, tell us where Durel/Dore/Doise/Comeauxt is on those issues. THEN we'll see how "centrist" they are. You can't expect us to take the word of a committed liberal like you on this.

Also, how can we trust your assessment of the "centrist"/"tea party" split when you only talked to the "centrists"? I find it stunning that theIND spends so much ink on the tea party every week yet NEVER talks to them, never interviews them, quotes them only by pasting from their website. How can you evaluate a spectrum of political belief when you don't talk to one side at all?




...
written by Uptown Girl , November 12, 2011 - 04:37 am
The centrist he refers to are about as liberal as Walter. But, they haven't come out of the closet yet. They think it's a secret and nobody knows. But, we know the truth. Centrist are closet liberals.
...
written by Amazed , November 13, 2011 - 01:44 am
This comment of little Joey tells it all!
"If you are a supporter of mine and voted for me in this past election, please don’t send me another person that is simply ‘against,’” Durel writes.
What he wants is another lackey.

And Walter, "Fair & Balanced" would be a breath of fresh air from you!

...
written by snaildarter , November 13, 2011 - 07:24 pm
Well said RC....

"I find it stunning that theIND spends so much ink on the tea party every week yet NEVER talks to them, never interviews them... How can you evaluate a spectrum of political belief when you don't talk to one side at all? "

Yeah, Walter... Walter, you listening?

Stop leaving all this misrepresentation of the Tea Party laying around. All we get here at the IND about the TEA party are mean, despicable comments. And we are beginning to consider that abuse when we read other stories or those goofy little things, you know, the ads, we read in your paper.

The anti-TEA comments are not happening in a vacuum, and there is really not a good anti-TEA argument (series of logical statements that prove a point or conclusion) being made, just name-calling, ad-hominem attacks and bad jokes.

The TEA party has arrived at an undeniable conclusion. Taxed Enough Already. Government waste money via various avenues. Government is too big.

Durel has what..."Those people are just crazy."
...
written by Resident , November 13, 2011 - 07:32 pm
Ragin said:
"I think that you all give "the tea party" way too much thought and attention. Especially you, Walter. You all sound paranoid.
"Oh, NO!!! It's the TEA PARTY! They're gonna burn all the art and outlaw abortions! Next thing you know, they're gonna let BP drill on Jefferson Street!""

Is that any different than your constant refrain of "committed leftists" and liberals and Marxists and Maoists and whatever who are ruining our country? "Oh no, it's committed leftists, brandishing a copy of the Communist Manifesto! They're gonna take all our money and and outlaw fossil fuels and suffocate our rugged individualism with state parks and art centers!"

Now, if I tried to say that being a fear-mongering hypocrite nullifies your argument, that would be a tu quoque fallacy. But it's hard to take your holier than thou, "I'm fair and balanced" judgments and dictates seriously.
...
written by ragin_cajun , November 14, 2011 - 02:40 pm
Resident --

Yes, Walter's weekly tirades against the tea party are very different from my position that this country is run by committed leftists, Marxists/Maoists/Socialists/Collectivists. Here's how....this country IS run by Marxists.

Barack Obama said himself, in his own books, that he attended Marxist conferences, read Marxist literature, and was mentored by Frank Marshall Davis, who was a card-carrying member of the Communist Party of the United States.

Barack Obama packed his cabinet and advisors with Communist and Maoists--Van Jones, Cass Sunstein, Valerie Jarrett, Steven Chu. These people are all "committed leftists", to put it lightly. Are they not? Want me to start pasting quotes from all these people? They literally do want to use public policy to make fossil fuels economically impractical. That's not something I made up, or my "characterization", that's a quote from the Secretary of Energy of the United States. Go read it.

The Federal government is, in fact, run by committed leftists. That is indisputable, and unassailable. That you find facts about the state of things hard to take seriously doesn't suprise me a bit. In my experience with you here, I have found that you generally DO have a hard time with facts.
...
written by Resident , November 14, 2011 - 09:44 pm
I said "ruining our country," not "running it." I never brought up who is running the country, although I do disagree with you about that too, mostly that it's not run by a figurehead called the president.

Nice cliche..."you have a hard time with facts." Do people really say that? Oh yeah, Sean Hannity does. You, like so many talking heads, perceive problems in the world and inevitably blame them on your least favorite people, or least favorite label of people. Happens on both "sides" of the narrative, so don't feel lonely.

Not that I'm much interested in your labels, but don't try to tell me that Obama and his appointees are leftists and socialists when our wars/occupations have expanded, infringements on civil liberty such as warrantless wiretapping and loss of habeas corpus have been cemented, corporate control of government has increased, taxes have not increased (despite your equivocation of the health care bill), entitlements have been or will be cut, and so on.

Actually, I have to wonder about your grasp on the facts. You just don't seem to accept that there's really not much difference between the two parties and the people they put forward. Which brings me to another point, the subject of this article.

Local TEA Party rhetoric seems to echo the slogans and shallow arguments that we hear on the national stage. There doesn't seem to be any real thinking or original ideas, just whoever says "I want less government!" the loudest.

I don't accept that the same philosophy on taxing and spending that are applied at the federal level should be applied at the local level. There are monumental differences, one being the fact that our tax money doesn't go directly to a private banking cartel called the Fed. It stays right here. And, despite the hyperbole about local officials, we do have better accountability and transparency at the local level.

On the national stage, I'm under no illusions that the majority of the "TEA Party" Republicans will do anything to reduce government, reduce taxes, or reduce anything about the status quo. They'll just continue wasting our money on other things under their own form of big government. I don't believe for a second that Jeff Landry embraces limited government as espoused in the original TEA Party movement. After the TEA Party was packaged and sold on Fox News, and establishment lobbying groups in Washington started including some variation of "TEA Party" in their names, it went downhill.
...
written by ragin_cajun , November 15, 2011 - 12:07 am
"but don't try to tell me that Obama and his appointees are leftists and socialists when..."

You make my point for me...:)

"You just don't seem to accept that there's really not much difference between the two parties and the people they put forward. " For about the TENTH time, Resident...READ it this time...I DO agree with you about that. I have agreed with you over and again on this point, I have told you MANY times. Yet, here we are again...

"I don't accept that the same philosophy on taxing and spending that are applied at the federal level should be applied at the local level." Consistent philosophy is not your strong suit, so I'm not suprised to hear this from you...also for the 10th time.

"I'm under no illusions that the majority of the "TEA Party" Republicans will do anything..." So, what then, just don't vote, don't support ANY candidate, just sit back and watch the Fed's spend ever more money, AND accept tax increases at the local level, too?

"Local TEA Party rhetoric seems to echo the slogans and shallow arguments that we hear on the national stage. There doesn't seem to be any real thinking or original ideas" It's not a brain trust or a think tank. They're not trying to impress you with original ideas. They're trying to stop tax increases. It's that simple. There are very good reasons for keeping it that simple.

"After the TEA Party was packaged and sold on Fox News, and establishment lobbying groups in Washington started including some variation of "TEA Party" in their names, it went downhill. " I agree. So what?

...
written by Resident , November 15, 2011 - 02:18 am
Recognizing differences in the realities of federal and local tax/spend policies does not mean one has inconsistent philosophy. It means that ideology does not rule one's life to the point of blindness.

"You make my point for me"
If your point was that Obama is doing a lot of things that are decidedly NOT leftist or socialist, then you're welcome.

""After the TEA Party was packaged and sold on Fox News, and establishment lobbying groups in Washington started including some variation of "TEA Party" in their names, it went downhill. " I agree. So what?"

So this probably has a lot to do with why so many people shrug their shoulders at the TEA Party, because it became just a fad used by Republicans to get elected.

"They're trying to stop tax increases. It's that simple."
Just saying no to any kind of local tax without considering the reasons for its proposal is not the kind of thought process we want in our legislature. Things are NOT that simple. Rational people don't take well to politicians wrapped in ideology that is packaged as "consistent philosophy."
...
written by RCajunrunner , November 15, 2011 - 02:28 am
Uh oh....

Andy Naquin with the November surprise, bringing in the heavy weight!

You all remember how the INDependent fawned over Rep. Joel Robideaux and his "independence" earlier this year, right?

http://www.theind.com/cover-story/8113-independents-day

Well, Rep. Robideaux believes Andy Naquin is the best candidate for District 6 Councilman.

http://andynaquin.com/forum/topics/state-rep-joel-robideaux-endorses-andy-naquin
...
written by ragin be quiet , November 15, 2011 - 06:53 am
Ragin - your damaged mentality is the majority of Louisiana voters right now, and it so happens Louisiana is in the bottom of the barrel for everything imaginable in a state that is controlled by the might right wing. How do you explain those facts? You have been bought my friend and evangelizing failure.
...
written by RCajunruner , November 15, 2011 - 01:21 pm
"and it so happens Louisiana is in the bottom of the barrel for everything imaginable in a state that is controlled by the might right wing"

How many years in the past 150 have Republicans owned a majority in the State Legislature? One?

Yep, decades of Huey Long, Leander Perez, Russell Long, Edwin Edwards, Bob Odom, et al rule...that just screams right wight/conservative rule over the state.

It's the decades of vote-buying in places like NOLA and BR and supressing business grown in Louisiana that has kept us at the bottom, and that strategy brought to you by the Edwards/Odom Democrats.
...
written by ragin_cajun , November 15, 2011 - 03:45 pm

Resident --

"It means that ideology does not rule one's life to the point of blindness." No, what it means is everything is relative.

"Just saying no to any kind of local tax without considering the reasons for its proposal is not the kind of thought process we want in our legislature. " We? Who is we, Resident? What "we" are you speaking for?

As for "just saying no" to any tax, I don't think that's what's going on. I've spoken to William Theriot and some members of the local Tea Party about their opposition to TIF's, and I assure you, they presented very well researched and thought-out reasons why they were opposed. And both gave different reasons, too, which I think gives the lie to this constant refrain here that Theriot equals tea party. The other side is thinking, Resident, you just don't like WHAT they're thinking.


"Rational people don't take well to politicians wrapped in ideology that is packaged as "consistent philosophy." Really? Sure about that? I think that MOST people in this day and age would LOVE to see a politician clearly state a philosophy, a set of values, and then consistently decide issues in concert with that philosophy.

"it became just a fad used by Republicans to get elected." That is what happens to political movements. By your rationale, I could equally say that "progressivism" is nothing more than a fad. Should I just "shrug my shoulders" when I hear that term used by supposedly "centrist" Republicans like Doise and Durel?


...
written by ragin be quiet , November 15, 2011 - 08:14 pm
@RCajunRunner - hey don't blame the previous administration. The current administration 'owns' this. Isn't that what you types say? Annoying isn't it? Your leadership is absent from the real world.
...
written by confused , November 16, 2011 - 10:52 pm
Has Naquin ever opened a business ?! balanced a budget ?! made a payroll ?! Typical "tea party" racist and bigots that attack because they don't want this race to be judged by merit + education!!!
You must be logged in to post a comment. Log in using your Facebook account or register if you do not have an account yet.

busy 
LA LA Land
Advertisement

Read the Flipping Paper!

Click Here for the Entire Print Version of
IND Monthly
Most Read
Advertisement
Advertisement
in case you missed it