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Dearth & Taxes

Wednesday, September 21, 2011
By Walter Pierce

20110921-news-0101As Lafayette Parish voters decide whether a substantial property tax increase for our school system is worth it, consider this: We’re low on the tax-burden totem pole and will be even if the proposition passes.

The Education Committee of the Greater Lafayette Chamber of Commerce voted last Thursday on whether to support the Lafayette Parish School System’s property tax proposition that will appear on the Oct. 22 ballot. The chamber being a bureaucracy, that vote — which the group is keeping close to its vest — will go to an executive committee, which will then make a recommendation to the chamber’s board of directors to support, oppose or take no position on the tax. The final verdict on whether the organization representing hundreds of businesses in the metro area supports the tax won’t be released until next week at the soonest. The chamber’s position will likely be based in large part on the tax’s impact on businesses in the area. But its position will not make or break the success of the proposition at the ballot box.

Nor will the support or opposition of this newspaper. We already painted ourselves into a corner last May in an editorial cover story, “Help Wanted,” when we wrote about the connection between a new superintendent and the tax proposition: “We need long-term, stable leadership at the top... Asking taxpayers to pony up $600 million dollars — just more than half of the $1.1 billion plan — without that leadership in place is a non-starter.”

Obviously there’s little chance a new superintendent will be on board by Oct. 22. Can we change our minds about the “non-starter”? Of course. Will we? Time will tell.

But after encountering what we considered a misrepresentation of the tax prop by the Tea Party of Lafayette, which vigorously opposes the school system tax, we decided to dig into the issue.

The TPL in late August had taken to characterizing the ballot proposition as a 75 percent tax increase. In literature distributed on TPL letterhead, the conservative group four times referred to it as a “75% tax increase” (or some variation on that), and three of those references were underscored for emphasis.

In fact, if the LPSS tax proposition is approved by voters, the parish property tax burden for homeowners will not go up 75 percent; it will go up 29 percent. The 75 percent figure the TPL was using refers to the school system’s allotment of parish property tax (city property taxes, which vary by municipality, would not be affected).

Factoring in the city property taxes that residents in the municipalities (except Broussard) also pay on top of the parish property tax, the overall property tax burden would vary if the proposition passes would nonetheless be less than 29 percent.

Currently, the property tax in Lafayette Parish that is devoted to the school system is 33.56 mills. (Use of the term “mills,” from the Latin for “thousand,” makes property taxes sound more complicated than needs be. Basically, if you move the decimal over two places to the left, mills become percentages. Hence, a 33.56 mills tax rate amounts to .335 percent of the value of the property subject to the tax.) The tax proposition to fund the roughly $560 million Facilities Master Plan would increase the school board’s take by 25 mills, which is 75 percent of its current allotment.

But, again, the overall parish property tax burden for residents in Lafayette would increase 29 percent if the proposition passes — not 75.

TPL has since modified its literature on the school tax, specifying that residents’ overall property tax burden would increase by “only” 29 percent. Yet a 30 percent increase in one’s annual property tax burden is still steep. Can we fault a group that draws its name from the acronym for Taxed Enough Already for huffing and puffing about this?

It’s probably been reported to death, but some quick math on what the tax increase would mean in Lafayette, based on 2010 tax rates: According to information provided by Lafayette Assessor Conrad Comeaux, a house within a municipality in the parish (except Broussard) valued at $150,000 paid $632.70 in annual property taxes in 2010 at a rate of 84.36 mills. If the tax passes, that same homeowner, with the homestead exemption, would pay $820.20 at a rate of 109.36 mills — a $187.50-per-year hike, or 29 percent increase.

For residents in similarly valued homes in unincorporated Lafayette Parish (and within the city of Broussard), the hike would be roughly equivalent — from $644.18 to $831.68. That, too, is $187.50 more per year.

For businesses, which are taxed at a higher rate, the increase would be even bigger. A business valued at $150K would see its annual parish property tax burden rise from $1,898 to $2,460, or $562 plus change.

So while the school board is requesting a sharp increase in parish property taxes to fund the Facilities Master Plan, would Lafayette’s property tax burden really be onerous if the tax passes? Maybe not.

Arguably the best apple-to-apple comparison in Lafayette’s case is St. Tammany Parish. The two parishes are roughly the same size: Based on the 2010 census St. Tammany stands at just under 234,000 while Lafayette is in the neighborhood of 222,000. Both parishes are relatively affluent and have experienced robust urban population growth over the last decade. Where Lafayette’s has been steady and incremental, St. Tammany’s exploded after Hurricane Katrina in 2005 as New Orleanians streamed out of the Crescent City and across Lake Ponchartrain. And taxes are higher in St. Tammany Parish by a significant margin, both property taxes and sales taxes.

The parish property tax in Lafayette is 84.36 mills. St. Tammany’s is 151.50 mills. In fact, as an accompanying graph demonstrates, Lafayette Parish’s property tax rate is the lowest in the state. Even if the school board tax proposition passes and an additional 25 mills are added to our parish property tax, our overall property tax burden will still be lower than St. Tammany’s. And Caddo’s, Calcasieu’s, East Baton Rouge’s, Orleans’ and Rapides’.


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written by And so now... , September 21, 2011 - 08:47 am
We are besieged by the pro tax people on this blog who will be putting on the final push to get this 25 mill property increase passed by the voting, taxpaying, property owning public. holeinthedonut8, CV, and RuthT, this 25 mill proposed property tax increase that doubles in five years will not pass. The federal government is cutting, the state government is cutting, the LCG is cutting, but Lafayette Parish School System is giving an extra paycheck to the likes of Lawrence Lilly. Our elderly on fixed incomes haven't had a COLA in three years but their Medicare premiums have increased. State retirees have not had a COLA in three years, yet their health care premiums have increased. Retired teachers have not received a COLA in three years, yet their health care premiums have increased as well. State employees have had their salaries frozen for over two years, yet Lafayette teachers still receive their step increases and a bonus check to boot. The bonus check comes from "overlooked" extra money on the books. Isn't "overlooked" money in fact mismanaged money? The LPSS Central Office has the highest percentage of rehired retirees in the state. The contract bus drivers are the highest paid in the country and the lies of how money will be spent from the school board are historical as well as hysterically funny. With this economy the timing of this proposed high property tax increase is not funny. It is just plain stupid. Lets have a pool how on badly this item on the ballot fails because it is destined to fail. Badly.

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written by Southsider , September 21, 2011 - 09:28 am
As i have stated in a previous comment section, the low property tax is one of the things that makes Lafayette so attractive to live in. Yes the schools are in bad shape. Yes something needs to be done about it. But why tax only landowners(and what about the ag status people that are ripping of the city). What about the people whose homes aren't valued above $75k? What about the elderly on fixed income? What about the people of Broussard that pay no property tax.Don't they send their kids to public schools? A sales tax is the way to go. That way EVERYONE foots the bill.
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written by Compassionate One , September 21, 2011 - 05:52 pm
According to information provided by Lafayette Assessor Conrad Comeaux, a house within a municipality in the parish (except Broussard) valued at $150,000 paid $632.70 in annual property taxes in 2010 at a rate of 84.36 mills. If the tax passes, that same homeowner, with the homestead exemption, would pay $820.20 at a rate of 109.36 mills — a $187.50-per-year hike, or 29 percent increase.
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Well if you're a landlord without a homestead exemption, then everything doubles. Almost $400/year and 60% increase!
But, they should pay more because they're RICH!

Obama Rules!

And for those that don't reconize sarcasm, sorry.
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written by Cracklin Patin , September 21, 2011 - 06:22 pm
"parish property tax burden for homeowners will not go up 75 percent; it will go up 29 percent".
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Whew, glad to hear it, what a deal. Now that's a ridiculous increase we can live with. Just last week my savings account grew by .9% or about $15.47 for the year. Can't wait to write the tax check! With luck maybe some Chinese guy will loan me the money.
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written by RuthT , September 21, 2011 - 07:18 pm
Even when you give people the facts, they reject them. Amazing! The 25 mills tax WILL NOT DOUBLE IN 5 YEARS. I don't know where you people get this except from your own imagination. The money raised through this bond will be kept far away from the central office, and the rehiring of past employees has NOTHING TO DO with the fact that our damn schools are falling apart around our children!!!

I can't imagine anyone who has children in this system could be against the tax increase unless he or she has never set foot in one of the schools.

No, you're right. We should definitely wait until a roof caves in on a classroom full of kids before we commit any money to the cause. We can just add in the cost of all the law suits that will follow such a catastrophic event.

I don't know why I bother. You can't reason with people who are themselves unfamiliar with reason.
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written by RCajunrunner , September 21, 2011 - 07:52 pm
RuthT, or anyone else who claims that people who vote NO want schools to fall apart:

Are you not bothered by the fact that thanks to our absurd homestead exemption level, hundreds of parents who pay ZERO in property taxes will go to the polls and vote YES to increase everyone else's taxes, so that their kids can benefit from the free ride?
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written by Southsider , September 21, 2011 - 09:16 pm
Ruth, i agree that the schools are bad. I know firsthand as my wife and I still have kids in school. We have volunteered our time, our money for the schools. The problem i have with it is the way its to be financed. Thats all. In my opinion, and its the only one that matters to me when i get to vote, its not fair to only tax property owners. First off, with the ag-status of alot of property here in the city, the large landowners won't be paying their fair share of the tax. Secondly, renters, people whose property isn't value at $75k also won't pay. Thirdly, people on fixed income already have a hard enough time making ends meet without another undue burden on them. Fourthly, homes in the city have a higher value than homes in the country so city dwellers will pay more(again footing the bill for unincorporated areas, but thats another story.) My idea, as I've proposed is to pass a 1-cent sales tax. Will sales in the city/parish at an all-time high(so high in fact, the city employee all got raises), it makes more sense to me to spread the burden amongst everyone. Yes, even the people from out of the parish that shop here. I personally know a couple of people on the citizen's committe but they are against a sales tax. Woundn't/coundn't give me a answer why, but they are against it. One person did tell me that it couldn't be done. I don't believe that. I think more people would be FOR a sales tax instead of a property tax. LPSS has shown in the past that it can't manage money. So they hired an outside firm to the tune of $900,000 to come up with a plan. Then pay them $18mil to oversee it. Nice chunk of my change. As I have stated earlier, my home isn't valued at $150,000k. Its three times that. My 'donation' will be approx. $800-1000 per year until who knows how long. I don't intend to 'donate' $20k to a school board that can't manage money. Sorry, but thats the way it is. I am going to be selfish and say, what benefit do I get for $20k? Satisfaction on knowing children will have a nice place to go to school? Thats great. I will get more satisfaction knowing everyone is footing the bill instead of those like me that have educated ourselves and contribute to society.
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written by rgb64 , September 21, 2011 - 10:17 pm
A big Thanks to Mr. Pierce for presenting the millage research. It answered a lot of my questions. I agree with RuthT, right upfront. For Southsider, I doubt there are many who moved into Lafayette because of the low millage tax. That was a fringe benefit. Now we are paying for it. LPSS provides our students with academies and other options that the rest of the state doesn't have, all on a much lower budget as Mr. Pierce's research has pointed out. Maybe you think that a sales tax is more fair across the board. Perhaps. But try to pass more than 1/2% additional tax. That's what was passed for the "2002 Teacher's tax" and it doesn't generate near enough revenue for this project. For those interested in the project itself, check out lpss.csrsonline.com. Timelines, costs, pictures from school, and basic building plans are all there. Nothing hidden.

Speaking of fairness, as an American we are already paying taxes that end up in the pockets of people who DON'T pay taxes in the form of welfare, food stamps, and other government programs corrupt with fraud. Why not add "give their children education in a nicer building" to the list?

Economically, millions of dollars will stay in Acadiana, given to contractors, payment of city fees, and bring up our 'education reputation' in the process. Don't turn a blind eye to the good, just because this is a t-a-x.
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written by Tim Supple , September 21, 2011 - 10:18 pm
I think the larger question is "and then what"? do we get better schools? Or do we get more of the same unsatisfactory education. Isn't better education the very reason we are raising taxes? This is not a vote to improve the fundamental nature of our educational system, it is vote to guarantee the same thing. Aren't we simply ignoring the fundamental problem with education? Which is, that it is now institutionalized to serve its "stakeholders", but not the kids. A larger educational institution will not and cannot serve its clients (kids) better than smaller institutions with the clients that have choice. This fact is repeated over and over in all the data collected. Why does a school have to be bigger, why can't it be smaller? Why can't parents decide where to send their kids to school, not the "board" which decides where to send the kids. Why do you have any one else deciding the most important issues and the environment of other people’s kids? Isn’t the parent the most qualified to make that choice?

What this debate should not be about additional taxes, it should be about the very foundations and further entrenchment of the institutions running our educational systems now. Do we want to continue that?

What we should be discussing is whether or not we even want a school board? and whether or not we want schools of choice, charter, voucher and etc. Because no one thinks the institution we have is working.

Public funding of education is not the same a public education. One is policy, the other is politics.

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written by ragin_cajun , September 21, 2011 - 11:07 pm
Walter --

"The tax proposition to fund the roughly $560 million Facilities Master Plan would increase the school board’s take by 25 mills, which is 75 percent of its current allotment."

So LPSB is asking voters to approve increasing the property tax that it levies by 75%? Is that correct?
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written by Walter Pierce , September 21, 2011 - 11:16 pm
ragin,
The parish property tax in Lafayette is 85 mills. Of that amount, 33.56 mills are devoted to schools. The proposition would add 25 mills in property tax (all municipalities in the parish also levy property taxes -- except Broussard -- which vary by city), all of which would be devoted to schools. So, the overall parish millage would rise from 85 to 110 mills; the LPSS's share of that would rise from 33 to 58.
Did I mention in the article that I was an English major and hate math?
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written by ALL CAPS IZ KEWL , September 21, 2011 - 11:18 pm
NO RAGIN CAJUN, IT IS NOT CORRECT. READ THE ACTUAL PROPOSAL.

www.investinourchildrensfuture.org


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written by PTCParent , September 21, 2011 - 11:36 pm
"And so now"

I still see that comment about the millage doubling in 5 years to 50 mills floating around!

I can't find that wording anywhere?!? Where is it "and so now"? Really, if it's true, I want to know!!!

Mr. Pierce, have you seen that anywhere?
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written by ragin_cajun , September 21, 2011 - 11:52 pm
I think that comparing the millage in St. Tammany to Lafayette is invalid because:
1. St. Tammany is 4 times bigger geographically than Lafayette, which makes for higher infrastructure costs
2. St. Tammany effectively runs two major schools districts, Covington/Mandeville and Slidell, so there's more duplication of services to run them--more buses, higher transportation budget, maintenance and admin buildings
3. St. Tammany Parish has a BUNCH of high schools--at least 2 or 3 more than Lafayette?
4. St. Tammany has very different demographics which probably effects the amount of Federal help it gets. Lafayette has a much higher percentage of kids getting free lunch, for example?
5. St. Tammany has more kids enrolled than Lafayette.

St. Tammany spends only $3,000 per pupil more than Lafayette, and that number is skewed by one time Katrina funding in the 2009-2010 data posted by the State of La.

So, cancelling out the spike in kids from the storm, and the spike in money from the storm, and going back to "before Katrina", it is very likely that St. Tammany has been providing better education to kids than Lafayette by spending LESS per PUPIL, and doing it in a district that is dramatically more expensive because it is 4 times larger than Lafayette.

Also, I think that if we want to upgrade Lafayette schools, we should do it the way Iberia Parish has. They've been doing this 2-3 schools at a time for years now. They also did it without paying a "project manager" like CSRS.

What's more, I know for a fact that all these School Board members know about this because they go to conferences with Iberia Parish school board members and talk with them and know them. LPSB knowingly CHOSE NOT to do it like Iberia Parish did--incrementally over time. Why?







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written by Southsider , September 22, 2011 - 12:05 am
RGB and anyone else..i really don't care what other areas do for their milllages. But, as stated today on TV3 website, Vermillion parish spends less per student than Lafayeete with better results. So, lets do what Vermillion does. Lets have smaller schools with smaller class sizes. No? Let build new schools all at once instead of moving slowly. But you have hit the nail on the head with your comment about welfare. Guess what, even welfare people SHOP! Lets have them pay too! I'm not worried about our education reputation. I'm worried about paying for it!
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written by Walter Pierce , September 22, 2011 - 12:26 am
PTCParent,
I've seen it only in the comment section on this website, and it's flat-out wrong. The millage DOES NOT double in 5 years, 10 years, 20 years, ever.
That's disinformation or ignorance put forth by opponents of the prop, and it's apparently becoming an urban legend, which I'm sure suits them just fine.
Reasoned opposition to the prop is fine, but this ...
The proposition on the Oct. 22 ballot is for 25 mills. That's all, no more.
In the future, if the school system needs additional money from the public, it will have to go to a public vote.
I should rephrase that because the school system is us: In the future, if we need more money for our public school system, we'll have decide the issue at the ballot box.
Democracy, methinks, is a fine, fine thing indeed.
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written by ragin_cajun , September 22, 2011 - 12:27 am
walter,

So, the answer to my question is yes? LPSB is trying to raise the property tax that it levies by 75%? Is that correct?


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written by ragin_cajun , September 22, 2011 - 12:42 am
Walter --

"That's disinformation or ignorance put forth by opponents of the prop"

Slow down, there, buddy.

Presentations I've obtained from CSRS show that the total cost of the proposed Facilities Master Plan is $1.1 Billion. But tables I've seen showing the "25 mils" are on the same row as $600,000. So the 25 mils will raise enough money to float bonds for $600,000, right?

CSRS Facilities Master Plan shows a "Phase One" for "$592 Million". So "Phase Two" will be another $500 Million or so, right? Where's that money going to come from?

Will LPSB need to raise taxes to borrow the money for Phase 2?

Will this additional 25 mils be enough money to float $1.1 Billion in bonds to pay for Phase 1 AND Phase 2 of the Facilities Master Plan?


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written by snaildarter , September 22, 2011 - 12:52 am
All the "rich" who own all of our stores and rental housing will increase prices and rents. That is a fact that must be faced, folks.

If you OWN a modest house and this is voted in, you will have a modest increase in your property tax, thanks to homestead exemption and the possibility of offsetting the increase via the Federal Tax deduction for local property tax. If you RENT a modest house, your rent will go up twice what the owner of a similar house will face.

And both renters and owners will pay more when they go to buy anything from a local business who's property tax has gone up.

We will be contributing more to this "mere millage roll-forward" in higher local prices. And this part of your "contribution" cannot be claimed as a Federal tax deduction and will not be attenuated by a retail equivalent of a homestead exemption.

This will slow down business. This will be a burden to those "old white people" the Ind has been lionizing lately, the people who run small businesses, the responsible people (of all ages and colors) who work for a living and don't depend on government handouts or grants or NGO handouts.

My family income has already been decreased quite a bit due to austerity measures in the economy. I have already done away with spending on things like fancy restaurants, like the ones that you see advertised in these pages.

I know that Steve May likes to make money, and he's an "old white guy". And one day all the young hipsters at the Ind will get old too. Hypocrisy is oozing out all around the edges of The Ind.
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written by Walter Pierce , September 22, 2011 - 12:55 am
Yes, ragin, that is correct: the school system is asking for 75 percent more in its share of parish property taxes. However, I wonder whether your question is rhetorically loaded by framing it in terms of the LPSB being a separate entity when it could also rightly be considered us, the voters in the parish who elect the board members. The question would then be: Will WE vote to raise our parish property taxes by 29 percent on Oct. 22 in order to devote 75 percent more to OUR schools?
And exasperating existential distinction, I know.
Where I would take issue with your penultimate comment is that while there was a spike -- a spike being a sudden rise and concomitant fall -- in funding for St. Tammany due to Katrina, the spike in student population wasn't a spike, it was a population increase. Those kids are still there for the most part.
As the center chart in this story explicitly states, "Expenditures don't equal performance."
My comparison between Lafayette and St. Tammany wasn't meant to point out the difference in performance outcomes, it was merely designed to put Lafayette's tax burden in perspective: even if the school prop passes, we'll still pay less in taxes than St. Tammany, a parish similar to Lafayette in terms of population and affluence.


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written by Walter Pierce , September 22, 2011 - 01:03 am
OK, ragin, you commented while I was responding, so it's not your penultimate comment I last responded to, it was the one before that.
There is no built-in trigger for the millage doubling after five years. It is set at 25 mills to fund $560,000 million. If the school system -- or us (relative to my last comment) -- wants to complete the $1.1 billion Master Facilities Plan, it'll have to go back to the voters and ask for the remainder, and that could be in property taxes, sales taxes or a combination of both I presume.
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written by Southsider , September 22, 2011 - 01:10 am
Walter....i'm not that smart. From what i just read, the 25mill increase will only fund Phase 1 and not the whole project? Is that correct? If so, then ANOTHER 25mill increase will be needed? Is THAT correct?
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written by ragin_cajun , September 22, 2011 - 01:12 am
Walter --

I understand what you're saying .... "a parish similar to Lafayette in terms of population and affluence."

But MY point was merely that St. Tammany is NOT similar in geograhpical area, number of large high schools, number of "free lunch" kids that bring increased federal dollars, etc. And THOSE are the things we SHOULD be comparing instead of affluence and population.

You're looking at the tax base and thinking "how much can we get". I'm looking at the logistics of running a school system and thinking "what is appropriate to spend".
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written by Walter Pierce , September 22, 2011 - 01:17 am
Southsider,
Yes. See my previous comment.
And now, y'all, I'd really like to enjoy an adult beverage and pluck my banjo for a while...
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written by ragin_cajun , September 22, 2011 - 01:24 am
Walter --

" you commented while I was responding "

Perhaps a chat room on the website? :)

I know there's no built-in trigger, and I've never said that. As you said, it's only been said here, and I'm not sure by whom.

But, I'm sure you can understand how they could think that. This tax increase is only going to pay for the FIRST HALF of the Facilities Master Plan. There is a Phase Two. How can LPSB only do half the schools and not the other half? Totally unfair, not gonna happen, we all know it.

This millage does not have a trigger, or automatically double. BUT, there IS a Phase two, it'll cost another $500 Million, and that's not covered in this fist tax increase. So there will VERY LIKELY be another proposed millage increase.

And, if that SECOND tax increase goes through, for another 20-25 mills, would THAT put Lafayette's millage higher than St. Tammany's? Yes, I think it would.

What do you think?
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written by Southsider , September 22, 2011 - 01:24 am
Thanks Walter...enjoy your night. But now i see where the doubling of the tax in X number of years comes from. I was under the assumption that the tax increase would fund the WHOLE project, not HALF of it. So in a nutshell, property taxes WILL double to pay for the whole project. Thats a tidy bit of information to have which isn't being reported. I know, i can go read the prop. But really, who is going to read it? Lets get the WHOLE truth out pro-tax proponents!
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written by Walter Pierce , September 22, 2011 - 01:32 am
Damn it, ragin, stop engaging me (and posting while I'm replying)!
Last one for the night: I'll bet the buses in Slidell don't pick up kids in Covington; the cities are 25 miles apart. And I'll bet St. Tammany doesn't have a "schools of choice" program like Lafayette, which requires our buses to pick up kids in Youngsville and bus them to Carencro, among several far-flung points.
So I'll bet the logistical challenges of our school system here, with "schools of choice," which were created as more or less a means of satisfying the federal deseg order by dispersing kids like the 12 tribes of Israel (and diluting the racial compositions of schools), are more complex and expensive than St. Tammany's. St. Tammany, because it is so much larger, has towns that are isolated and must necessarily be self-sufficient. There are probably no buses running from Folsom to Madisonville, or from Goodbee to Lacombe.
I don't know this. I'm guessing based on my familiarity with the parish (relatives live there).
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written by Hope , September 22, 2011 - 02:10 am
Problems with school buildings has not just crept up. I want numbers, not millage numbers. I want to see published how much LPSB has collected ea yr for the past 15 yrs in property taxes and then sales taxes. Iberia parish govt just voted to live within what they collected last year. Lafayette parish schools have, to my knowledge, never done this while they continue to collect ever increasing sums of money. I'm sorry I CANNOT SUPPORT ANY INCREASE IN PROPERTY TAXES OR SALE TAXES. Its not as if the school board doesn't get increases every year! My increase would be roughly $400 a yr & that increase would go to LPSB. I'm sorry the school board has been negligent in its duties & I'm sorry the school board doesn't care the condition of those schools. Not my fault. I've been paying for them to. So don't *itch at me because I don't want to pay more. I'm fully aware of the amount of money and the conditions. All I care about this time is my bottom line & I am at that point: my absolute bottom line.
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written by ragin_cajun , September 22, 2011 - 02:24 am
Walter --

So you're betting that Lafayette Parish School System has created logistical challenges that are more expensive and complex than a similar school system that is four times bigger--geographically.

That's very interesting...




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written by Hope , September 22, 2011 - 09:51 am
Mr. Pierce says "...all of which will be devoted to schools..." does that mean "all of which will be designated, by law, to be spent on construction & maintenance of schools"? AND DOES THAT MAINTENANCE INCLUDE SALARY FOR THOSE WHO MAINTAIN SCHOOLS???? How much revenue will that "free up" for the GENERAL FUND for the LPSB? What purpose will those freed up dollars be used for and will it be legislated also? Hells Bells, a dirty cafeteria (voting day as reported to the School Board office - supposedly by voting day workers) should not happen on any day at any school, and yet it does, so how can I be guaranteed the dollars will result in maintenance. Also, I don't put much stock in what other parishes collect, percentages, because Lafayette Parish collects a huge, repeat, HUGE, amount of sales tax JUST FOR THE SCHOOL SYSTEM. ITS NOT A MATTER OF MONEY, ITS THE SCHOOL BOARD & THE FACT THEY HAVE NOT, & WILL NOT make any attempts to cut in any areas or use taxes wisely. This situation did not happen in a short time & it won't be corrected in a short time and someone's son, or husband, or brother or sister or inlaws stand to make millions in "overseeing" these funds & construction. I MUST fight this tooth and nail - first I think this is a PR SNOW JOB, but additional taxes to the tune of approx $400 YR MORE JUST TO BE BLOWN AWAY BY LPSB, will put me in the position of having to decide if the lights stay on, when can I run the air conditoner, how to pay for the kids' school lunch, can I bring them to the dentist? This is coming @ a time when gasoline is nearly $4 a gal & food is @ an all time high. There is no way to excuse the irresponsibility of the school board, but no one is talking about that fact. I say, start school later, in Sept, no salary cuts, but the savings alone in costs will be huge. Cut the drop program, esp for bus drivers ! Its not that Laf parish doesn't collect enuf for the school system. I cannot support the prop to give them BILLIONS more to waste.
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written by Hope , September 22, 2011 - 11:43 am
OH WOW, IBERIA PARISH SCHOOL BOARD WON'T INCREASE THEIR TAXES THIS YEAR!!! HOW DO THEY MANAGE??? Amazing that a parish so close to Laf Parish will be able to educate & maintain their buildings without stiffing the taxpayers for more money.... HOW IS THAT POSSIBLE????
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written by Morrow , September 22, 2011 - 11:54 am
I think I've figured out ALL BUILDING & MAINTENANCE WILL COME FROM THOSE MILLAGES, SO THE LPSB WILL HAVE MILLIONS OF DOLLARS FREED UP IN THE GENERAL FUND. With all that extra money in the General Fund, hundreds of millions over the long run, WHAT THE HELL DO YOU THINK THE PLANS ARE FOR THAT MONEY??? So, the rumor of pay increases for school employees & support personnel may have substance after all. I'll just bet the school board isn't going to legislate that freed general fund money won't go to pay increases or benefits. Education employees are just too quiet about their own property taxes increasing.....
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written by RuthT , September 22, 2011 - 12:25 pm
Hope - Really? Paying another $33 a month(that's $8 a week) in property tax is going to force you to choose between feeding your kids and taken them to the dentist? If so, then how did you ever afford a home valued high enough to even be affected by the proposed millage increase?

Ragin, et. al. - Once and for all, the 25 mills WILL NOT DOUBLE IN 5 YEARS. Yes, this initial bond vote is to fund Phase 1, and yes, the school system will likely have to go back to the voters in 5 years to either ask for a continuation of the SAME AMOUNT (NOT double - NOT DOUBLE) at that time, or for some other means to finish all of the building, improvements and maintenance that needs to take place.

As for people making money off of the project...well duh! I don't know many architects, construction managers or firms who work for free, do you? Certainly not on a project that encompasses 36-40 DIFFERENT FACILITIES over many years' time. $18 is 3% (THREE percent) of the cost of a massive project. Yes, it sounds like a lot of money, but spread out over time, it's a deal.

As for a sales tax...yes, that might spread the pain around a bit more, but it would NEVER pass. Lafayette is considered to have a fairly high sales tax rate already, while our property taxes are laughably low. The school system is reaching for what seems to be the most achievable goal. I personally have no problem picking up the slack for people whose circumstances are less affluent than mine. As for old people on low fixed incomes...the vast majority don't have to pay property taxes at all if they're clued into the law, and those that do usually on pay taxes on half of their property's value. At least that's the way I understand the law.
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written by ragin_cajun , September 22, 2011 - 12:58 pm
Hope --

"IBERIA PARISH SCHOOL BOARD WON'T INCREASE THEIR TAXES THIS YEAR!!! "

AND they are building new schools all the time, have been for years!

I have spoken with Iberia Parish School Board members about this, as well as some Iberia Parish teachers. It seems that Iberia Parish has a millage in their property taxes, it comes up for renewal every 4 years, that is dedicated to building new schools and renovating old ones.

Their millage is enough to build or renovate JUST ONE school or two every few years, they've had it for a long time. Iberia Parish has built several brand new, nice schools all over the Parish over the last 10 years. They let a local architect oversee and manage the construction, and the board watches the project very closely. They've had different results from different architects, they seem to be spreading the projects around to different architects to avoid the appearance of cronyism.

They looked at hiring a project manager to run construction, and they decided against it because it was too expensive.

I think that Iberia Parish's method is far superior to the one that LPSB is pursuing. The millage is less than LPSB's proposed millage. The projects are easier to oversee and manage than this massive "two phase" project that LPSB is trying to do. And I think everyone in Iberia Parish, from teachers to students, to tax payers, is very happy with the results, because the millage for this has been re-newed by voters at the ballot box.

Contrast Iberia Parish's approach to LPSB's approach. Lafayette wants a DRASTIC tax increase, they want to pay to outsource the management of the project, they want a HUGE 2 stage project, and if you don't agree with it, you "need to look at the facts", or you "don't care about students", or you "don't get it".

I think that LPSB should scrap this tax election, drive over to New Iberia, and ask them for some guidance on how to do something like this without pissing off every taxpayer in the parish.
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written by PhilNdeBlanc , September 22, 2011 - 02:03 pm
St. Tammany had the best school system in the state, before New Orleans moved there in the 90's. And the people who moved to St. Tammany were much more affluent.

I don't think increasing taxes of any kind is going to solve the basic problem of schools not being able to teach. But we can't dole the money out to private schools in vouchers, who can do amazing things on that much money. Or charter schools, because we have had so many charter schools run by crooks who disappear with the money.

No, we must put all the money in a big pot, and then let it get divided up by program costs, and a school board, some members of which couldn't pass a high school exit exam.

You should be suspicious when an organization wants more spending money, especially when everyone else is having to cut back.
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written by ragin_cajun , September 22, 2011 - 02:48 pm
"But we can't dole the money out to private schools in vouchers"

HELL NO!!!! If public schools start sending kids to private schools with vouchers, there will be all kinds of little rules/regulations/processes that private schools need to follow, and before long, they'll be just like the public schools.

I pay A LOT of money to send my kids to private schools, and I do it because they are NOT LIKE public schools. I want it to stay that way!

Funneling "other people's money" into public schools is what ruined them in the first place. Don't do it to private schools, too.
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written by Pawn in the game of life , September 22, 2011 - 04:26 pm
Somehow people equate more money with better results. Washington D. C. recieves approximately 17,000 per student a year. This is the highest in the country, yet they have the lowest reading scores also. We do need work on the facilities, they are old and falling apart. I remember going to school in a non-air conditioned building with asbestos everywhere. Somehow we learned in spite of it.
There was no ADD and if you had BAD they did not spare the rod. I do not think the timing is right for a tax increase. Lafayette is still ranking lower than surrounding parishes. More money may help the buildings but Johnny will still not be able to read.
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written by Southsider , September 22, 2011 - 04:38 pm
Pasted:

I think that LPSB should scrap this tax election, drive over to New Iberia, and ask them for some guidance on how to do something like this without pissing off every taxpayer in the parish.

Let hope this is EXACTLY what happens.
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written by Hope , September 22, 2011 - 06:30 pm
Dear Miss Ruth, in answer to your question, if you must know, YES! That $500 will cover their dental exams, or the incidentals for school or it goes a good way on my car insurance or health insurance for the kids. And so what? I ALREADY GIVE THOUSANDS OF $ TO THE SCHOOL BOARD EVERY YEAR in property taxes & SALES TAX. It IS NOT MY FAULT OR MY PROBLEM if they have allowed the schools into such disrepair the only solution is A BILLION FREAKING DOLLARS. I do not believe that much money is necessary, but I don't want to give an extra indian head nickle!
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written by NORTHSIDIAN SHOTGUN , September 22, 2011 - 06:39 pm
GA, WHATEVER HAPPENED TO UHF
NOW DAYS ITS ADD, ADHD, ADAD, AND DVD
Whatever happened to Spare the rod and spoil the child
Todays kids who have parents on watch, do learn
Drugheads and Wellfare PARENTS have no concern for themselves
or their children, and they'll only teach their children, how to get on the government teat.
So tell me, should'nt we just set up an outdoor lunch area and let the slow learnts have lunch and learn a trade, drive thru Speedy Car Wash ! Non ?

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written by R Reagan , September 22, 2011 - 06:51 pm


The plan is 1.1 BILLION. It is not very smart for us to make a 20 year, billion dollar commitment to a system that is obsolete.
New buildings will only help the architects, engineers, contractors, suppliers, (Lafayette Chamber of Commerce) at the expense of the tax payers and the children that get locked into a system that doesn’t work. The trend in education is in the opposite direction. Shame on the Chamber and the people behind this, the same old tax and spend insiders.















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written by ragin_cajun , September 23, 2011 - 12:30 am
Walter --

Perhaps you, or Ruth T, or Angie Simoneaux, can answer another question about this "steep" tax hike? This will clarify the whole "5 year doubling" issue that keeps hanging around and confusing everyone...

So the new tax will be 25 mils. The revenue from that tax increase will be used to float $590 Million in bonds, which is the projected cost of Phase 1. General Obligation bonds with a 20 year term at 9%.

A 20 year GO bond typically has twice a year debt service payments which are equal over the life of the bond. So does that mean that this first 25 mil property tax will be a 20 year tax?

The ordinance I read that Angie linked to mentions a 20 year 2 Mil tax, but it doesn't say how long the 23 mil tax will be in place.

I assume that it is levied for the 20 year term of the bonds issued? Assuming level debt service, that's $61 Million per year in bond payments that LPSB has to make. How much will this 25 mill tax take in every year?

Will there be enough to make the payments? Will the tax take in MORE than the debt service payments? For how long? What happens to the surplus? What happens if the property tax revenues suddenly decrease for some reason? Is that even possible?

And this "5 years from now Phase 2 starts"....that is the construction plan. That in no way means that the debt will be paid off in 5 years. And it doesn't mean that the first 25 Mil levy will expire in 5 years, does it?

Finally, the proposal says "an estimated 23 mills to be levied". Does that mean that the tax can vary over time, go up or down as needed to make the debt service payments set forth in the bonds?

Can any of you track that down and let us know...so we can all be clear before election day and all...

Thanks...
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written by snaildarter , September 23, 2011 - 10:49 am
The last people to benefit from this progressive "mere roll forward" will be the average citizen and their children. Eventually.

Consultants have already made their quick profit, contractors and other will be next to profit.

The rest of us will pay higher rent and higher prices.

By time any of these new schools are finished, what will Lafayette look like?

How many huge missteps are built into the plan? Only time will tell.
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written by Soop. , September 23, 2011 - 01:17 pm
Here is the only comment you need to know -- this tax will never pass. Period. End of story. The old way of raising taxes .... just asking for an increase and hoping the electorate will trust the proper entity to do the right thing .... is over.

And no offense, but whoever thought the proper approach to convince voters to pass a new tax was to argue that we don't pay enough in taxes already is an idiot of the highest order.

If the system had any hope of passing the tax, they would need to have explained where prior budgeted money has come from. Because so much of the stuff in the Master Plan looks to me to be stuff that should have been taken care of through regular maintenance.

All the best,

Soop
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written by ragin_cajun , September 23, 2011 - 02:12 pm
Soop --

Brilliant. Simple, concise, undeniably true. I hope you're right.
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written by Hope , September 23, 2011 - 03:09 pm
Soop, maybe it was someone in the high dollar consulting company or in that league that formed the PAC... like they can insult the public into voting for the tax. I really resent being called brainless for not being able to afford it. There is no reason to "talk down" to the public.



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written by Pedro , September 24, 2011 - 02:06 am
RuthT, you are arguing/mad with the wrong people.....you need to speak to your LPSB member about why "the roof may fall in" and the tax may fail. Why must we hire consultants and PAY the LPSB/LPSS administration? Show me fiscal responsibility and accountability before asking me for more of my hard earned tax dollars. It is/has been a vicious cycle in Lafayette Parish for many years.

Walter, LPSS was forced to offer schools of choice in order to obtain unitary status. Many of the "choices" are underfunded shells of programs. Your friend, Mike Hefner and the LPSB wasted money for years ignoring the federal consent decree. I am afraid building new facilities may turn out the same way.

How much money was spent/time wasted preparing for the now non existent IB programs?
We need a LPSB accountable to/representing the best interest of the citizens/students of Lafayette Parish. Until that time I vote no.

My children attend schools in horrible condition (LJ Alleman and LHS). Ceiling fans laden with dust, broken bathroom doors and toilet seats, moldy classrooms, water intrusion, rats and pests in classrooms. Most problems simple housekeeping/maintenance could solve. The problems continue. We built new schools. They quickly became moldy and in disrepair and now we are paying to repair them. It is not about the money.

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written by Hope , September 24, 2011 - 01:15 pm
I saw an article in the local rag. I think "they" have taken a new direction in trying to convince the public property owners should pay more. I guess I'll have to write a letter to the paper, but THEY only publish what they want - like that fake "poll". Please, if you're not in favor of giving the school board more of your money to waste, please tell everyone you know & write your own letters.
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written by ragin_cajun , September 25, 2011 - 02:18 pm
Can anyone from LPSS respond to Pedro's comment? Are these schools dirty? That has nothing to do with money and I'd like an explanation. I went LJ Alleman and LHS 20 years ago and they were clean and well maintained. What changed? Why?

I think LPSB may have opened a can of worms with this tax hike. They've gone out and told everyone Lafayette's schools are in poor condition, but it seems to me like everyone thinks that's the school systems fault. Instead of stoking support for a tax hike, they seem to have stoked resentment and dissatisfaction with LPSS.
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written by realitycheck , September 25, 2011 - 11:02 pm
Proven they already cannot perform basic functions like maintenance which should be factored into every yearly budget, why should they be trusted with more money? More money has never helped the irresponsible to balance a budget; just the opposite. Straighten out the books, make improvements and then come asking. We have no faith!!!
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written by baseball3 , September 26, 2011 - 05:30 pm
Let's not forget that we just had a $25 million dolar tax increase 2 years ago. Thanks to our own City-Parish Council, we are already paying an increased amount in both sales and property taxes, all without a public vote. I'm betting there's a big chance that voters will use this tax election to react to that.....it just goes to show you, that, when you do these major things without a public vote, it will bite you in the tookas down the line.....
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written by ragin_cajun , September 27, 2011 - 01:54 pm
Walter --

No answer on the length of this 23 Mill tax hike? Because it looks to me like it WILL be a 20 year tax. And that's only for HALF the project. Phase two will probably another 20-25 Mill tax hike. When was LPSB planning on asking for THAT money?
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written by Southsider , September 27, 2011 - 04:46 pm
RC..i spoke with someone on the oversight committee this weekend. The explanation was in 7 years, the next tax will be 'renewed'. Doesn't make much sense to me, but i'm not that smart. If you take out a loan for $521mill over 20 years, how is it going to be paid off in 7 so that the next phase can start without having another tax?
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written by NORTHSIDIAN SHOTGUN , September 27, 2011 - 06:35 pm
The bald-face fact of the negativity of a tax increase for schools, " the money never reaches the schools, repairs are never undertaken, teachers remain underpaid, and pray tell why in the hell are our children in metal buildings like CC camps.
Politics is intended to be a business its products is intended to provide a greater return than the original investment, ( TAXES ) the problem is in politics we have no business-wise leaders, Jinal/Joey, my point ! We have but grubby sticky finger lowlifes taking a cut of the pie for themselves depending on what the puppetmasters allow after the leavings by the puppetmasters.
This will never change and whatever much millage of taxes for schools, the tax money will never reach the schools, A LA the UNITED NATIONS GURU in his pocket went the FEED THE WORLD tOO-do, WHAT A TRAGIC JOKE .
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written by Southsider , September 28, 2011 - 03:51 am
Doing some quick calcs:

My taxes:

city - 604.00
parish - 2210.00

New LPSB tax = 655.00, based on $262,000 asessed value of my property, including homestead exemption.(655 X 20 = $13,100)

LPSB already gets 39.4% of parish tax, which = $844.00
So, i would pay $844, plus additional $655(the 655 for 20 years for Phase 1), for a MINIMUM grand total of $1,539 to LPSB
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written by NORTHSIDIAN SHOTGUN , September 28, 2011 - 02:39 pm
You make the LPSB produce .....and then you give them more money hold their hands to the fire and only then will the consultant cronyism cease and the money spent wisely, you give the yan-yaning LPSB money everytime they cry, they'll never stop yan-yaning. Gosh even the slow learnts understand this, hah.
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written by Molly6 , October 06, 2011 - 01:27 pm
Thur: Baton Rouge Advocate: "Overall, Lafayette Parish received a grade of C and is ranked 25th in the state based on its performance score of 97.6 — a 1.1 point improvement over last year, according to figures released Wednesday. There are about 70 school districts in the state." With performance scores like this, I see no reason to shell out another $800 - $1000 a yr, x 5 yrs, then double that for the next 5 yrs.... I believe the school board should just open some of those schools they had to close, build a few at a time on the increasing money the get every year. My prop tx goes UP every year, NEVER DOWN, & on top of that, Laf parish collects record amnts of $$$ in SALES TAX from residents & out of towners.... I AM ABSOLUTELY AGAINST ANY NEW TAXES FOR ANYONE.....
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written by BoFred , October 17, 2011 - 03:51 pm
Its not coincidence the "teacher's conference" for public schools is 6 dys before the property tax goes to the polls. LPSB is pulling out all the stops attempting to cripple this community for the next 20 yrs.

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