News -> INDReporter FRI, SEP 24 9:57AM by Walter Pierce

Go cup ban not gone

The ordinance banning open containers on Jefferson Street and the McKinley and Surrey strips that failed on a 5-4 vote Tuesday could wind up back before the City-Parish Council in a couple of weeks, and the councilman spearheading the effort to revive the ordinance predicts a favorable outcome.

District 7 Councilman Don Bertrand tells The Independent he’s asked the council clerk to put the “go cup” ordinance on an upcoming agenda, hopefully for the Oct. 5 meeting. And Bertrand says his five colleagues who opposed the ordinance can expect some pressure in the intervening week and a half. “They’ll be hearing from the downtown business owners who have to deal with the mess,” Bertrand says.

The ordinance banning open containers was designed the address the problem of plastic cups used by bar patrons to transport their alcohol out of the bars, which creates a lot of trash littering the parts of town where bars have proliferated. It was one of two before the council Tuesday; the second, banning cruising by motorists, was pulled from the agenda after the open container ban failed.

The measures are two of a handful of ideas endorsed by some downtown business owners, the Durel administration and police to address the large, sometimes rowdy crowds that descend on the downtown on weekend nights. Banning loitering was also part of the conversation several months ago, but it never got traction in the form of an ordinance.

On Tuesday, Sept. 28, the council’s agenda includes a discussion item that many feel would be most effective in mitigating the crowd issue downtown: banning 18-20 year olds from bars altogether. Police allege — and bar owners dispute — that many of these underage patrons are managing to get alcohol despite the minimum legal drinking age of 21, exacerbating the crowd-control problems police have on weekends.

The measure is only a discussion item and it’s unclear whether it will ever be expressed in the form of an ordinance. Bertrand is doubtful: “If we can’t even pass an open container ordinance, I don’t see how an 18-20 year old ordinance would stand a chance,” he admits.


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written by ragin_cajun , September 24, 2010 - 03:13 pm
That's pretty slimy. Bertrand should have lined up all these businesses before the FIRST vote.
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written by ragin_cajun , September 24, 2010 - 03:26 pm
I've got a better idea. How about if the bar owners can have go cups, but those go cups have to have the bar's logo and name on them. That way, next morning, you can clearly see which club's cups are all over the street.

Or how about if the city just pays a cleaning crew to go down there and clean it all up the next morning. There's alot of tax proceeds coming in from these bars, there's a special police levy coming in, too. These bars may be making a mess, but I don't think anybody can claim that they're not paying their fair share.
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written by neutral party , September 24, 2010 - 04:18 pm
HOW about all the litter from fast food drive thrus.
Theres Micky D cups Burger King wrapers you name all up and down our streets and interstates we need to fine the litter bugs.TRASH CANS ON EVERY CORNER THEN A 100.00 FINE FIRST OFFENSE.
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written by LAFAYETTE NATIVE RESIDING IN LAFAYETTE , September 24, 2010 - 04:53 pm
If go cups are banned, the staff of the Independent faces a life style change.
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written by Rinkelstein , September 24, 2010 - 08:43 pm
How about the guys that get busted pissing behind dumpsters downtown get put to work by cleaning downtown for community service.

Isn't there a jail downtown with a crap load of trustees that have nothing to do on the weekends.

I am pretty sure that littering is against the law. How about writing some tickets.

Aren't we making more money now that we have red light cameras. If that is the case, then we can take a couple of the excess traffic cops and have them undercover downtown writing littering tickets..........

Or, we can make another useless city ordinance.
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written by ragin_cajun , September 24, 2010 - 11:04 pm
Well remember on election day.

Don Bertrand wants more laws instead of law enforcement.
He supports NGO funding, Horse Farm, "quality of life" spending, thinks AcA is great
He supports Safe Speed, thinks that's a great idea
He voted to allow the development in Scott over citizens' objections

He and Joey Durel have both said, several times, that the biggest problem with city-parish government is that there's not enough money.

Keep all this in mind on Election Day--next fall. I can't wait.
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written by Joe Politico , September 25, 2010 - 03:22 pm
The starting point for solving this issue it banning 18-20 year old's from entering the bars. To my knowledge we are the only state that allows this practice. And if you think 21 year old's and above or not buying alcoholic beverages and carrying them outside to underage drinkers I got some ocean front property in Kansas to sell you!
As far as the business owners are concerned I understand that it is a challenge to operate a business and to have to face this every morning when they arrive the next morning but this is the type of environment that was allowed to be created in our Downtown by years of bars and restaurants being allowed to proliferate.
But as with most issues that we face this is a total overreaction. Instead of systematically attacking the problem as someone suggested with more officers enforcing litter laws and the city cleaning up garbage ala the French Quarter or other entertainment districts do we want to BAN the issue away but then grandfather in Downtown Alive or Mardi Gras and allow them to use go cups during certain events....
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written by Mike Parich , September 25, 2010 - 05:36 pm
We the bar owners are paying y'all well over $250 k to patrol the public streets downtown why don't y'all hire a street cleaner just like every other town does, or is this something else just being used against us??
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written by RCajunrunner , September 26, 2010 - 12:23 pm
No Mike, it's pretty much you and the bar owners who are constantly being targeted. Didn't you read the IND's article of Rob Robinson's letter to Durel and the Mayor's response? YOU are the problem.

The problem is not vagrants who hang around Downtown. The problem is not certain social non-profits who encourage habitual drug users and people with criminal records to come into Lafayette from all parts of the state, so their federal subsidies can increase with numbers.

The problem is only you and the other bar owners. The bars are the main thing that revitalized Downtown, but everyone needs to forget that now. We need to re-write history so that the art groups revitalized that part of Lafayette, not the bars and restaurants.
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written by ragin_cajun , September 27, 2010 - 12:05 pm
RCajunRunner--

You've pretty much summed up what's going on with this issue. The extra levy from the Police Dept. was just plain wrong, and I'm starting to wonder what they did with all that money.

Can you post a link to that letter to Durel and Durel's response to this? I don't think I've seen it.
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written by Resident , September 27, 2010 - 12:40 pm
"Don Bertrand wants more laws instead of law enforcement.
He supports NGO funding, Horse Farm, "quality of life" spending, thinks AcA is great
He supports Safe Speed, thinks that's a great idea
He voted to allow the development in Scott over citizens' objections"

Supports the Horse Farm city park, AcA, and NGO funding. Sounds good so far. The idea of speed vans and traffic light cameras is good; it's just that out of state company making millions off our backs that's the problem.

Sure, banning the go cups probably is probably more of a discouragement tactic rather than a solution, but I believe most other civilized towns don't allow people to leave the bar with alcohol in hand. Nothing draconian about that.
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written by ragin_cajun , September 27, 2010 - 12:59 pm
And another thing. I'm not an attorney, but there's a thing called "spot zoning". "the relationship between the zoning change and the local government's stated land use policies and objectives" is the key thing that judges look at when deciding cases of invalid spot zoning.

Are there not MANY examples of current and past city officials stating "entertainment" is the land use policy and objective in the downtown area? Now to start passing ordinances, levies, and rules counter to that stated goal.....

Bars are a business, like most others, that require time and borrowed money to become profitable. To have government come along after a year or so and just change its mind about the location of a business you've been working to build for years is just plain wrong.

First it was strip clubs, and everyone agreed that was OK. Now a few years later, it's regular bars downtown, what's next? Maybe your business? Smoking bans were a good idea to most people, so now we have one, and what's next? Food bans are coming now...exercise quotas one day, maybe?

What sounds like an exaggeration today will be reality tomorrow.
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written by realitychecks , September 27, 2010 - 09:34 pm
The litter left at Parc International after Cowboy Mouth this weekend was appalling!! There were plenty of temporary trashcans! The idea that people should toss down and expect things picked up later is disgusting. How about starting some slogans to remind the crowd, like "Let's keep it free; free of trash so we never charge admission" or something... Likewise, the average business with a parking lot that thinks it's ok to simply hire a sweeper once a week needs an attitude adjustment to continuous cleaning. Lafayette was much cleaner before the small parking lot sweepers came into vogue.
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written by ragin_cajun , September 28, 2010 - 01:00 pm
realitychecks --

Was Cowboy Mouth a "sanctioned" event?
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