News -> INDReporter FRI, APR 15 9:41AM by Walter Pierce

C’est what o‘ the day for 4.15.11

you suck hind teat, and there you’ll stay
you rant and rave and then you bray
your brain seems drug-mixed fully cooked
you constantly bitch, you’re so mistook
your logic is always taken from a book
you swallow lines, bait and hook
Adios, & Ciao Chump
Lam this and Va La Mete
Try to get this thru your tete
Mind games with you is ultra passe`
I’m goin fishin, “ Walter enjoy your day

— NORTHSIDIAN SHOTGUN, a frequent voice in the comment section at theind.com, responding to gentile fellow comment-generator Gaius Cilnius Maecenas, in the comment thread for the previous “C’est  what o‘ the day”

Read the thread here. It's quite entertaining.


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written by Gaius Cilnius Maecenas , April 15, 2011 - 01:59 pm
For the readership to understand NORTHSIDIAN SHOTGUN, I would suggest a mastery of Albert Valdman's "Dictionary of Louisiana Creole", and a healthy addiction to 'You Tube' steady stream of hate videos, especially, against the Jews. His psychograph is amusing! Nou te ja pale sitan! [French Creole, "We've already talked so much!] Schiavo! [Italian, "(I am your) slave!" > "Ciao"]

P.S. I believe it is a courtesy to your fellow readers, when using technical terms or foreign language terms to define them, so context is understandable. So all can be in on the humor! NS, Needs to beef up on his mastery of poetical meters; furthermore, he needs to sharper his 'parallelismus membrorum' [Sharp contrast or complementary addition to focus the thought, "paralleling of the members" in a metrical unit in ancient Oriental poetry, especially, Hebrew & Babylonian poetics.]
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written by Knowledge is Power , April 16, 2011 - 10:39 am
GCM...Northsidian Shotgun may not know his poetical meters and all that balony you spoke about. He may be completely bonkers and full of it most of the time. BUT...his posts are also not nearly as crashingly boring as yours are. Geez...SHUT UP!!
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written by Gaius Cilnius Maecenas , April 16, 2011 - 12:20 pm
Knowledge is Power, I have evolved a little beyond comic-book mentality, wherein I must be entertained to be reading something. You certainly do not know the origin of your moniker, Scientia potentia est [Roger Bacon, "Knowledge is power"], ultimately from Hebrew, גֶּבֶר-חָכָם בַּעוֹז; וְאִישׁ-דַּעַת, מְאַמֶּץ-כֹּחַ, Proverbs 24:5 [Hebrew, "A wise man is more powerful than a strong man, and a man of knowledge than a man of might"]!

Now for what I was going to post here: Why am I having these exchanges with, essentially, uneducated citizens?

I am keenly aware that the strong take from the weak, and the bright from the strong. How do the "bright" take from the strong? By Law & God! These are precisely the two structures of culture that have been misappropriated by the thieves in the extreme Republican Party! The Tea Party is not even a political party, it is simple criminality! Treason is executable by immediate death! So the Tea Party should be dismissed as social nonsense!

This quote by Blaise Pascal sums up the poison in our present discourse: "Men never commit evil so fully and joyfully as when they do it for religious convictions." To destroy a dominate culture, it requires militarism, debt and religiosity.

Now back to what we are doing here: Ten Commandments! for ragin_cajun. Remember him?

There are three critical editions of the Hebrew Bible being prepared now. This is extraordinary, if you think about it!

Oxford Hebrew Bible [OHB]

Biblia Habraica Quinta [BHQ]

Hebrew University Bible [HBU]

Think about this for a while, and Google these items.
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written by Gaius Cilnius Maecenas , April 16, 2011 - 11:41 pm
ragin_cajun:

These are the materials, I promised you two days ago.

I had to find books that you would find enjoyable to read, and that were not too costly. Proper scholarly texts in ancient languages now run around $100.00 to $200.00. To give you an example, the recent text of the Epic of Gilgamesh by Professor Andrew George is $500.00 (2 volumes) in Babylonian cuneiform (Oxford University Press). Good scholarship is dreadfully expensive.

Here are books that will bring you up to snuff on the level of mental competence we now entertain in the scholarly world:

"David and Solomon: In Search of the Bible's Sacred Kings and the Roots of the Western Tradition" by Israel Finkelstein & Neil Asher Silberman (2006) [This will give you a real insight into actual history of Israel-Judea, not the court propaganda of the Deuteronomistic Historians.]

" Scribal Culture and the Making of the Hebrew Bible" by Karel van der Toorn (2007) [This will give you insight into scribal production & transmission manuscript centers, so you actually understand how the Bible was produced from ca. 600 to 300 B.C.E.]

What you are keenly interested in, ragin_cajun:

"Etched in Stone: The Emergence of the Decalogue" by Rabbi David H. Aaron (2006) [He is a brilliant young scholar who presently actively teaches the young of our society.]

"The Production of Prophecy: Constructing Prophecy and Prophets in Yehud" (2010, paperback) by Ehud Ben Zvi [He is a Jewish savant; see his brilliant edition of "Micah" Volume XXIB (2000).]

These following books are too expensive for you or our local libraries, but they are essential for compentent understanding as to where we are in humane Hebrew scholarship:

"Prophecy and Prophets in Ancient Israel: Proceedings of the Oxford Old Testament Seminar" by the editor, John Day (2010) 480 pp. $180.00

"Isaiah among the Ancient Near Eastern Prophets: A Comparative Study of the Earliest Stages of the Isaiah Tradition and the Neo-Assyrian prophecies" by Matthijs J. de Jong (2007) 534 pp. $177.00

"The Late Egyptian Underworld: Sarcophagi and Related Texts from the Nectanebid Period" by Dr. Professor Colleen Manassa 2 volumes (2007) 664 pp. $220.00 [She is a brilliant young savant Egyptologist at Yale University; this will give you formative insight on the doctrinal filching by our ancient Roman Catholic Church out of Egypt.]

I am still searching for a competent mastery of the Babylonian period of Hebrew culture [How Israelites (northern state) and Judeans (southern state) became Jewish] that is affordable and brilliant in its mastery of all the oriental scholarship presently amassed after 1 1/2 centuries by the Western World!

I trust this satisfies my obligation & promise to you, rajun_cajun. It has been a labor of love for me!


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written by Real Deal , April 17, 2011 - 01:44 pm
Ah, a pseudo intellectual ass. Clemens once said, "Better to keep your mouth shut and be thought a fool then to open it and remove all doubt." Or words to that effect. He also said, "What a fine thing it is to have an intellect, and room enough in the seat of your britches to hold it." Gayguyus,your shallowness knows great depths as you have reached new lows in your asinine attempts to use the comments section in your attempt to magnify your personal miniscule facade of intellgence. You make me, as well as many others, laugh at you. Yes, sadly we are laughing at you.
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written by Gaius Cilnius Maecenas , April 17, 2011 - 10:41 pm
Real Deal, You make no sense! Quoting Mark Twain, Dude! Who is the shallow, asinine faggot here?

If you have no interest in the topic, Bro, skip it! There are plenty of other blogs to amuse yourself with. This one started with a witty comment of the Managing Editor about the action of a dolt who is a police juror. Pay attention to the context!

And I am not even finish yet; I still have to find a readable treatise on the murky period of the late Assyrian and Babylonian period in Judean literary culture or scroll productions & transmissions! Adieu!
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written by Gaius Cilnius Maecenas , April 17, 2011 - 10:53 pm
Real Deal, Quoting Mark Twain? Now who is the shallow, asinine dolt here, Dude? There are many other blogs here to amuse your vapid interests, Bro.

This blog started as idle, casual comments about a clever comment by the Managing editor about the antics of a police juror in northern Louisiana. You are making too much of it.

If we can't learn from one another, or better yet, explore additional topics of intellectual appeal---so the more impoverished our mental culture in Acadiana!

Observe, You gave no content; merely adjurations, insults and scurrilities! These are the standards of behavior of a fool!
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written by Gaius Cilnius Maecenas , April 17, 2011 - 11:01 pm
However, Real Deal, on reading my last statement to ragin_cajun "...satisfies my obligation & promises...it has been a labor of love to me!" sounds a little too rich for the six-pack Joe crowd at the local bar! The tone is off!

I did have a lot of fun reviewing on-line the latest information on ragin_cajun's questions to me. It took me three days of research. This is probably over the top for crass, common, edgy concerns that drive most viewers to this web site! I think that is your main point, without your malicious nastiness.
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written by ragin_cajun , April 18, 2011 - 10:59 am
GCM --

Looking at wikipedia's page on the Ten Commandments, there are several scholars mentioned, and they all propose different dates and times for the creation of the Ten Commandments. Even the book you cite above says after 586 BCE-not the "350BCE" you stated. So the dates proposed for this by "biblical scholars" for the last 100 years or so are all over the map.

Would you agree that is correct? I don't see how you can possibly disagree with that statement.
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written by Real Deal , April 18, 2011 - 11:02 am
Man! I hit the nerve on Gayguyus! More laughter from us at you, bro. You are a pseudo intellectual hoot!
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written by Gaius Cilnius Maecenas , April 18, 2011 - 11:56 am
To the Larger Readership here, I thought I had lost my penultimate blog and it would not post [after it meets editorial administrator control parameters], hence, why the repetition of sentiments.

Here I want to laugh at myself. "Real Deal's" quote of Samuel Langhorne Clemens (1835-1910) is off the mark. It has been used so many times, it leaves the acid taste of bathos in the mind. There was a serious side to Mark Twain; after all, he was awarded the honorary doctorate D.Litt. in 1907 by Oxford University [see 26 pp. article on him in Wikipedia, especially, the various photographs].

I would have used this "fresh" quote from the equally famous American writer, Isaac Asimov, in the first book of his Foundation series:

"When Holk, after two days of steady work, succeeded, in eliminating meaningless statements, vague gibberish, useless qualifications---in short, all the goo and dribble---he found he had nothing left. Everything canceled out. Lord Dorwin, gentlemen, in five days of discussion didn't say one damned thing, and he said it so you never noticed."

This would have been a more scathing quote against me, furthermore, the 'five days of discussion' is actually today--it gives it an added punch!

To Ragun_Cajun, I want to add two more books that I think should be consulted, even though they are erudite and make for dense reading.

"Textual Criticism of the Hebrew Bible", 2nd edition by Emanuel Tov (2001) [He is perhaps the greatest Textual Critic alive on all matters of paleography, epigraphy & manuscripts provenance.]

"Rewriting the Sacred Text: What the Old Greek Texts Tell Us about the Literary Growth of the Bible," by K. De Troyer (2003).

In brief summary, our ancient Hebrew Texts span an oral culture from perhaps 13th century to 850 B.C.E.; our written texts span a spectrum from 850 B.C.E. to the end of the Imperial Achmenenid [Second Temple Period] era, 332 B.C.E.; this wide span of time is divided into Standard Biblical Hebrew (ca. 850-500 BCE) & Late Biblical Hebrew (ca. 450-100 BCE). The Prophet Ezekiel is the dividing line, writing ca. 589 BCE, that is, before, during and after the Exile. The text-prophet scribes Haggai, Zachariah & Second Isaiah [Is 40-55] write in a literary Standard Biblical Hebrew, even though their immediate Judean culture was speaking Aramaic, northern Israelian Hebrew and Late Biblical Hebrew.

Why am I doing these postings? You destroy the "strong" by Law & God! Otherwise, our social order devolves into confusion, crime and chaos! What is, essentially, presently going on. My ignorant detractors here confirm my thesis; however, these mal-contents are far and few in number. They merely shout louder!
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written by ragin_cajun , April 18, 2011 - 12:52 pm
So now you are saying that it's entirely possible that the Decalogue comes from the Oral tradition? Is that possible?

Could it be possible that the Decalogue was handed down orally until it was written down between 850 BCE and 332 BCE? That is just as conceivable as your assertion that the Decaloge was "spun from whole cloth" in 350BCE, or after 586 BCE like Rabbi Aaron says, is it not?

In fact, I think it is probably fair to say that there is NO real evidence to say that Moses DIDN'T actually get those commandments from God on top of a mountain. That is equally as valid as any other theory put forth by "educated scholars" over the last 100 or so years---is it not? That's what THIS scholar says in Note 4 on the date and authorship of the Decalogue.
http://broomfielducc.org/education-journey/journey/lesson22.htm#ten

Why is YOUR assertion any more valid than his, or Wellhausen's, or Noth's, or Bright's?
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written by Gaius Cilnius Maecenas , April 18, 2011 - 05:20 pm
To rajun_cajun:

My observations are not original with me. I cite those scholars whom I think represent the consensus of the larger group of 'conservative' scholars.

If the Managing Editor, Walter, will indulge us for a few more postings on this blog topic, I will be able to read what you have given me; and report dutifully back. I have already printed out more than 700 pages, or 53 articles dealing with Hebrew textual criticism. I am burning the hell out of my old Hewlett Packard Laser Jet 4 Plus printer; furthermore, I will have to go to Office Depot and buy some more reams of "500 Sheets 20 Pound 92 Brightness 30% Recycled 8 1/2" x 11" Item 563-024".

You cite good scholars [Julius Wellhausen, Geschichte Israels, I (1878); M. Noth, Uberlieferungsgeschichte des Pentateuch (1949); John Bright, A History of Israel, 3rd edition (1972, 1973)]. The theory of Graf, Kuenen & Wellhausen [accepted by the formidable German biblical scholar H. Gunkel] is basically this:

J stream of tradition---9th century Judah;
E stream of tradition---8th century, northern kingdom of Israel;
D stream of tradition---7th century, Judah;
P stream of tradition, Babylon.

I had written this before to you, but the blog was lost; I had dealt with Holy War theology [definitely not PC] in it.

Why we know that the Ten Commandments were invented, composed, and written down to be inserted in the Text of Deuteronomy around 380 to 370 BCE [and later, inserted as well in Exodus, where it was harmonized over a three century period (the smoking gun is the various Old Greek & Septuagint versions of the Torah which we actually possess as text-copy artifacts)] is because everyone was putting up city Stone Laws during this period throughout the Imperial Achemenid Satrapies; this was even being done throughout the Greek Mediterranean areas as well.

Also, read carefully Deuteronomy. It is filled with "scroll consciousness" [translated as 'book' in English; but that translation is an anachronism] passages: Dt 4:44-45, Dt 28:58, 61; 29:19-20, 26; 31:9, 19. Moses is viewed as an orator and a writer on scrolls. Scrolls were not around in the 13th-12th century Canaan; certainly not in the highlands. Now contrast this with 2 Kings 23:2 & Exodus 24:4, 7, 12; contrast Ex 24:12 "finger of God" with Dt 31:18.

When we have the Eclectic Oxford Hebrew Bible of the Book of Deuteronomy & Book of Exodus, this will all be obviously textually confirmed. We have the accummulated information, we merely have to have it printed. That is the reason I gave you the reference "Theory and Method" of the OHB Project, so you could download the various sample presentations, to give you a flavor.
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written by Gaius Cilnius Maecenas , April 18, 2011 - 08:19 pm
To rajin_cajun:

I will be brief here. I made a study of the two on-line cites that you gave me.

The Wikipedia 'Ten Commandments' cite merely rehashes the scholarship of the last 130 years [1880-2010], which does not incorporate competent Hebrew scholarship of the last fifteen (15) years: German, French, Israeli, Hungarian, Italian, British or American scholarship!

Your analysis of David H. Aaron's book is false. I have it in my library. I suspect you have merely read the ill-informed dolts who write reviews on Amazon. Do a Google search query, and download his Lecture Notes to his students. His book will give you the necessary background for the rejection of the Mosaic Ten Commandment origin. Remember, the pentadic structure [groups of five] is a Persian data point, not a Hebrew mind-set.

Lastly, I reviewed your link from the United Church of Broomfield. This is a fairly sloppy Evangelical website. I was amused that the actual link on "The Ten Commandment" talks nonsense, and then quotes the bibliography of the competent American scholar of the 1940's and 1950's W. J. Harrelson. The citations at the bottom were brilliant scholars. There were no relationships between the dribble discussed and the bibliography.

However, I am pleased to give you a 'real' Evangelical scholar from Texas (I think), Dr. Thomas L. Constable http://www.soniclight.com Look at his Adobe print-outs. He is a very careful scholar, and he gives supporting and meaningful biblography for each of the Hebrew Biblical Books he discusses. I have downloaded & printed-out one year ago five of his Hebrew Books' compositions that he discourses on.

I do not subscribe to the unitary composition theory of each text in the Hebrew bible; they all possess marks of an archetype source-edition text, scribal additions to this source-text [while copying & transmitting the text], expansions to this trasmitted text [How the Ten Commandments were inserted], and, finally, various layers of Redaction [serious reformulation of the text's theology and main message]. Even a small text, like the Prophet Malachi, has four redactional layers [worked on from ca. 450 to 280 B.C.E] written in an artificial literary classical Hebrew language competently transmitted by the Hebrew literati.

Once again, attempt to download Dr. Constable's Evangelical scholarship. I trust it will meet with your approval.
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written by Gaius Cilnius Maecenas , April 22, 2011 - 07:35 am
This topic seems to have met its naturally occurring extinction. Ragin_cajun is too lazy to press backward articles' keystrokes. Last posting! Thank God!
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