The Louisiana Science Education Act, signed into law in 2008 by biology major Gov. Bobby Jindal and derided by supports of mainstream biology education as a Trojan Horse for creationists, is being targeted by a bill that, if approved and signed by Jindal — let’s not hold our breath — would repeal the controversial act.
On Friday, Sen. Karen Carter Peterson, D-New Orleans, prefiled Senate Bill 70. “Louisiana’s top priority must be to educate our children so they can compete for the high-paying jobs that we want to create in Louisiana,” says Peterson. “Louisiana’s job killing creationism law undermines our education system and drives science and technology based companies away from Louisiana.”
The LSEA, heavily lobbied for by Louisiana Family Forum, allows biology teachers to “supplement” classroom materials. The intent of the law is to allow for the introduction of supplemental materials that question the validity of evolution and introduce students to Intelligent Design, a pseudo-science that cloaks itself in scientific terminology while positing that because life on earth is so complex its genesis must be due to a creator, or intelligent designer. ID is designed to skirt clear and unequivocal federal rulings against teaching creationism in public school.
Indeed, the LSEA is already influencing conservative school boards in the state. According to the minutes of its March 15, 2011 meeting, the Livingston Parish School Board is maneuvering to insert Intelligent Design into its biology curriculum.
Repeal of the LSEA has been endorsed by both the National Association of Biology Teachers and the Louisiana Association of Biology Educators.
... written by LAFAYETTE NATIVE RESIDING IN CA , April 18, 2011 - 11:43 am
I do not have a problem teaching creationism. I think young minds need to be stimulated with alternate theories. So long as the information is presented without teacher/institutional/political bias.
... written by Idiots , April 18, 2011 - 12:23 pm
Hey. The Roman Catholic Church does not even agree with Creationism and calls it false science. Are you also ok with Scientology being taught as an alternate theory? Seeded from Xenu with Thetans and all that craziness. Creationism is the latest L. Ron Hubbard-esque made up Scientific garbage that conservatives use to get votes. Period. Get a clue.
... written by Herb Roe , April 18, 2011 - 12:31 pm
Lets hope it goes through. The school system is not the place for anyones religion, yours, mine or theirs. Especially not for a discredited pseudoscientific mashup of bad science and wishful thinking designed to breach the separation of church and state and teach ALL of OUR children this one groups version of religion. Teach your kids religion at home and let the schools teach science.
... written by LAFAYETTE NATIVE RESIDING IN CA , April 18, 2011 - 12:50 pm
Maybe you guys are correct. After all, with neanderthals like Walter Pierce and rajun cajun, intellegent design failed.
... written by Marthe Reed , April 18, 2011 - 12:51 pm
Creationism is not a scientific theory, so to position it as an alternative theory to evolution/natural selection is absurd. "A scientific theory summarizes a hypothesis or group of hypotheses that have been supported with repeated testing." Creationism is based in a religious belief, belief being "the psychological state in which an individual holds a proposition or premise to be true." "Holding a proposition to be true" simply is insufficient for the scientific method. At best creationism is an untestable hypothesis, and as such, creationism has no place in the science classroom, though it would be relevant to a comparative religions course.
... written by ragin_cajun , April 18, 2011 - 01:01 pm
"Teach your kids religion at home and let the schools teach science. " Yep...I agree. Or send your kids to private school if you want them to learn religion. I think Louisiana has more than enough private schools to satisfy the need for religious education of those kids whose parents want that.
Can we also agree that government giving vouchers to parents to send their kids to private schools is also unacceptable? That goes in New Orleans, doesn't it? Why should tax dollars from agnostics fund religious education for kids in New Orleans?
... written by Docy B , April 18, 2011 - 01:19 pm
Creationism is the perfect theory for the rich to steal all of the resources and then when you try to steal it back from them, they invoke the ten commandments.
Remember during slavery, slave masters used creationism to imbue the slaves with the notion that they will prosper in the next life.
I agree with LNRIC about the NEANDERTHALS.
... written by NORTHSIDIAN SHOTGUN , April 18, 2011 - 02:14 pm
laf. native who in the hell needs or should be studying theorys, if you are interested in theorys, I have a 200 page theoratically assembled answers, for all the worlds ills, and yours.....send 19.99 and a self adressed fed-ex flat box for the packet, hokay ?
... written by LAFAYETTE NATIVE RESIDING IN CA , April 18, 2011 - 02:40 pm
I changed my mind. I'm agreeing with Docy B. Docy has a good point. I'm old enough to remember how my cajun old folk used to tell us about how they would pacify the slaves by demanding that they be christans. They would tell us how it made them sleep better knowing that the slaves were sold on the christan commandment thou shall not steal, thou shall not kill.
Creationism is a hoax.
... written by Bow Tox , April 18, 2011 - 02:40 pm
The Lord created the earth in six days. On the seventh he ate fried chicken.
... written by Bow Tox , April 18, 2011 - 02:45 pm
written by Docy "during slavery, slave masters used creationism to imbue the slaves with the notion that they will prosper in the next life." --------------------------
Uh? What a historian. Call the history channel.
... written by LAFAYETTE NATIVE RESIDING IN CA , April 18, 2011 - 03:03 pm
written by Bow Tox , April 18, 2011
The Lord created the earth in six days. On the seventh he ate fried chicken.
Easy, easy with those racist statements.
... written by gosisnotgreat , April 18, 2011 - 03:13 pm
Let's not lax on this. We got creationism in the classrooms (thank God!) as an alternate theory to evil-ution. Now we need the alternate theories about the Earth revolving around the Sun. That blasphemer Galileo deserved what he got. God created the Earth and made it the center of the Universe. The Bible says it does not move, that means it doesn't. That's just my theory though. Why can't we teach that? Because science is trying to kill God!
Also, those pinheads that think the world is round, when the Bible clearly says "The four corners of the world" need to have their round-earth theory challenged by the Word of the Lord! You can't have corners on a round planet, therefore my theory is the world is flat, just like maps!
By now, I hope everyone realizes the above is satire :)
... written by LAFAYETTE NATIVE RESIDING IN CA , April 18, 2011 - 03:26 pm
Here is more satire. Why don't take a flying leap off of one of those corners of the earth. Take Walter, Vitter, Landrieu, Jindal and Hardy with you.
... written by LAFAYETTE NATIVE RESIDING IN CA , April 18, 2011 - 06:50 pm
... written by NORTHSIDIAN SHOTGUN , April 18, 2011 - 09:00 pm
*** Gosh , Laf. Native , I want to goooooooooooo, it'll beat being here with the leas. And if we came from monkeys, thats strange, because,I know where there are some monkeys that weren't involved in that plan.........and got left behind or did''nt get in on the action, they are at Audubon Zoo, " Where they all asked for you.
... written by Gaius Cilnius Maecenas , April 18, 2011 - 09:41 pm
This former Bill needs to be repealed; it was an attempt to sneak "theology" into our biological textbooks to undermine "evolution." Furthermore, its intent was to assert that Science and Religion are parallel modes of thought. Why do we not sneak religion in our Physics textbooks? Gravity is a theory. Why not in our Chemistry textbooks? The atomic model is a theory.
Let us reflect how this simple-minded Creation "theory" of an ancient 27th century old, Babylonian scientific model, formulated by a priesthood obsessed with astronomical-mathematics, made its way into our 6th century B.C.E. Hebrew composition in the Book of Genesis. It was the Hebrew "P" Redactor-editor scribe, when he was exiled to the great intellectual, commercial city of Babylon [bab-ilim, "gate of the God (Marduk)"] between 597-520 B.C.E. It should not be forgotten that there were four deportations of the Israelite-Judean population, the intellectual elite, to Assyria-Babylonia: 722, March 15/16 597, September 587/86 & 583 B.C.E. This is when & where the Priestly scribe learned his great Science!
Furthermore, it was during this world power, the last and greatest Babylonian dynasty---the Tenth Chaldean Dynasty (625-539 BCE), that our Hebrew Biblical texts acquired their universal cosmic perspective. In addition, its brilliant Emperor, Nabu-kudurri-usur II [Akkadian, "the (god) Nabu has protected the succession"; Hebrew, Nebuchadnezzar II (605-562 BCE)], stimulated a transformation in human consciousness in the Middle East by his costly passionate promotion of law, order, justice, moral righteousness and religion devotion.
It was at his scribal palace-temple workshop that our Judean scribe, whom we affectionately call the "P" or Priestly author, compiled and redacted the second edition of the Hebrew Torah, or the JEP Redaction ca. 550 BCE.
Later, the Persian Achaemendean Emperors, Artaxerxes I, II & III (465-338 BCE), would finish what this Babylonian Emperor and his son, Amel-Marduk, had started: the Jewish people were to have their sacred, canonical scirptures. The ancient mythological-magical mentality was dead; the historical-theological consciousness was awoken. This is the origin of "Creationism" in our Hebrew Bible [Genesis 1:1--2:4a & 2:4b--25]
After this sinks in, I will post the stupidity of the ignorant topic of "theory."
... written by nolaf , April 19, 2011 - 01:33 am
LNRIC.........no need to get nasty and violent just because people disagree wih you. It certainly doesn't lend itself to an "intelligent" discussion.
... written by Resident , April 19, 2011 - 06:44 am
You know what? Those darn geologists are trying to destroy Christianity. I propose the theory of Intelligent Tectonics to counter their absurd notions of plate movements and magma upheavals. After all, the Earth is only 6,000 years old. And radiometric dating is a clever trick of the devil.
... written by Human Ape , April 19, 2011 - 07:39 am
From a previous comment, this is very strange: "I do not have a problem teaching creationism."
Translation: It's OK to force biology teachers to waste precious class time talking about supernatural magic.
What science should be thrown out to make time for your idiotic idea?
http://darwinkilledgod.blogspot.com/
... written by LAFAYETTE NATIVE RESIDING IN CA , April 19, 2011 - 08:38 am
written by nolaf , April 19, 2011
LNRIC.........no need to get nasty and violent just because people disagree wih you. It certainly doesn't lend itself to an "intelligent" discussion.
Simple, Watson, my boy. I am not made by intellegent design.
... written by roughbeast , April 19, 2011 - 08:54 am
Again, the proponents of "intelligent design" are the best argument against it. Besides, have you looked closely at a possum?
... written by I'mnotadumbass , April 19, 2011 - 09:01 am
Really? This has to be a freakin joke, or I'm a salami sucker.
What freak of nature came up with this BS. That's called a question for those of you stuck in the middle ages.
If I have to deal with this siht every stinking day, please shoot me and save me from it. Only a moron with an IQ with only 2 digits would believe this crapola. I am so mortified that I'm seriously considering moving to a state that has an average IQ in excess of 100, which I consider very minimal. I'm sorry but I had to go and puke just thinking about bull...., you morons should be shot on sight.
... written by Walter Pierce , April 19, 2011 - 09:43 am
To "I'mnotadumbass" and "LAFAYETTE NATIVE": We manually (and conscientiously) moderate comments posted to this website. Gratuitous profanity and personal attacks divorced from a civil discussion of the issue at hand are blocked. Hence a few of your recent "contributions" to this discussion have gone the way of the dinosaur, which, if I may say so myself, is a most appropriate analogy for this comment thread. Evolve, gentlemen.
... written by LAFAYETTE NATIVE RESIDING IN CA , April 19, 2011 - 10:09 am
You seem to be an intellegent design person, yet your censor of media is more from the t-rex era. He chose the name, "I'mnotadumbass, I just shorten it.
Any way, creationism is equivalent to republicanism. Who do you see on every channel talking about abortion, family values, god this and god that.
These people (republicans) have been jerking the country around with this bulls*** for centuries.
... written by Gaius Cilnius Maecenas , April 19, 2011 - 10:51 am
Short corrigendum on a missplet word in my blog above: for *Achaemendean read "Achaemenidean". Also, the four deportations of the Israelite-Judean [Northern Kingdom & Southern Kingdom respectively] elites was confusing:
The Neo-Assyrian Deportation of the citizens of Samaria and its countryside occurred in 722 B.C.E. to the Assyria mainland.
The three Babylonian Exiles were:
March 15th/16th, 597 B.C.E [This was the group that the great Prophet Ezekiel was included in; observe his Prophetic corpus opens in the fifth year of the Judean Babylonian Exile (593 B.C.E.); he is living at Tel Abib [cf. modern Tel Aviv, Israel], a city near the ancient Babylonian religious center of Nippur.
Then there was the Deportation of September, 587/86, which was the successful destruction of king, temple and city of Jerusalem. This marks the end of the First Temple Period.
Then there was another Babylonian Deportation in 583 B.C.E.
It was from the Babylonians that the Judean scribes acquired their notions of "facticity & historicity." See Babylonian Chronicles that started in 747 B.C.E. [Google for appropriate background]!
... written by Gaius Cilnius Maecenas , April 19, 2011 - 02:36 pm
My second comment on the Louisiana Science Education Act (2008), for this readership:
In addition to the Babylonian-Hebrew obsolete doctrine of "creationism" as evinced above, one should ponder, if it is moral, truthful and responsible to teach the tender minds of our young this antiquated theological propaganda, and parade it as a "theory" ? Should we teach in our Physics classes the "ether wave" theory? Should we teach in our Chemistry classes the "alchemical elements" theory? Should we teach in our Astronomy classes, Pythagoras's cosmology of the harmony of the spheres, Ptolemy's cosmology of epicycles, or Kepler's cosmology of the five Platonic solids? These are theories also.
The English-Greek 'terminus technicus' "theory" derives from 'tithemi' meaning "to put, place (in the mind)." The English-Latin verb "create" implies a "creator" and "creature." This constitutes a 'circulus vitiosus' [Circular Reasoning]. This verb translates the rare, late Hebrew " bara' " ("create") used only of a deity commanding, separating and naming things into existence.
Furthermore, should we teach in our schools that the world began in 3761 BCE or 1 A.M. [Anno Mundi, from the inception of the world]? That the Flood occurred in 1656 A.M.? That the great Exodus out of Egypt, under the legendary folk-hero Moses [Hebrew, 'Mosheh' from Egyptian m-s-s, "hath been born (by a god); the theophoric element of the god's name is missing], happened in 2666 A.M.? Or that Solomon's great Temple building began construction in 3446 A.M.?
It is time to retire this controvery begun in the Victorian Age. It was not Biology nor Geology that brought down the Biblical Babylonian-Canaanite worldview: It was philology!
On December 3rd, 1872, Mr. G. Smith announced to the Society of Biblical Archeology in London, England his extraordinary discovery on cuneiform tablets of the creation and flood narratives from Babylonian treatises [Enuma Elish, Atrahasis & Gilgamesh (Tablet 11)] that pre-dated the Biblical account by ten centuries. Their thought patterns, cognate vocabulary, and sequential ordering of events were remarkably similar. On that day, the Bible became a dead book!
... written by LAFAYETTE NATIVE RESIDING IN CA , April 19, 2011 - 05:53 pm
So, Gaius Cilnius Maecenas, do you believe that life form like we Humans exist on other planets and in other galaxies?
I'm interested in your take.
... written by Gaius Cilnius Maecenas , April 19, 2011 - 09:36 pm
Lafayette Native Residing in CA, I speculate that there are superior "life" structures elsewhere in the composite cosmos. Since our Star, the Sun, is a tertiary [third generation] star, there must be "intelligence" far superior to us, that had evolved from secondary star systems.
Since our universe ["cosmos"] is roughly ca. 14 billion years old, and our stellar planetary system 4.3 billion years of age, we are the junior members of the comprehensive cosmic system.
If these vastly advance "intelligent" systems would visit us, I suspect they would be more interested in our bacteria on this planet, the true Lords of Life! I am afraid that they would view us [Homo sapiens sapiens] as temporary accretions of cellular accidents, doom to immediate and repeatable, multiple extinctions within the cosmic time-span!
I have always found it more than interesting that the number of neurons in our brain matter, that permit consciousness in our self-identity mental state, roughly mirrors the number of stars in our immediate galaxies.
I trust this will comply with your request of me!
... written by NORTHSIDIAN SHOTGUN , April 19, 2011 - 09:45 pm
LAF NATIVE, you be careful what you ask for. Actually your lineage arrived here from other planets, and the planets were so heavily wooded, that your ancestors learnt to travel through the tree tops to get to their spaceship, and you were made in their image. (Oh lord, please forgive me)
... written by Louisiana13 , April 19, 2011 - 09:46 pm
Lafayette Native: You've apparently been in California for too long. When you've been whipped at your argument, your next tactic (if designed to support truth as opposed to merely your present opinions)shouldn't be baiting your opponent into an entirely-different argument where you pull them down into an emotionally-charged and politically-destructive morass. I dare say that you are not terribly interested in Gaius" response, but intend to use a response to launch a new campaign of misinformation. Cheers!
... written by APPLE , April 20, 2011 - 04:48 am
MY KIDS LEARN CREATIONISM IN THEIR BIBLE SCHOOL WHERE THE SUBJECT BELONGS. They learn Science in their school classroom. They are smart enough to reconcile the two classes. They know the meaning of "faith".
... written by Dont let the door hit you , April 20, 2011 - 04:52 am
"I'm" can you express yourself in a more civilized manner? You're raising your blood pressure way too high. You can search for a smarter citizenship, but you might be disappointed in what you find. I appreciate your frustration & I've felt it more than once myself. You're going to have a hard time finding a better place though. Its a trade off in a lot of ways.
... written by La native living in Lafayette , April 20, 2011 - 05:00 am
Creationism is the glue that binds the Christian community and for many that is all that keeps them from going over. Life is tough some may think...but back in the days before electic lights, before running water, before agriculture and domesticated animals....the powers of nature were very real and tramatizing. When religion came along....it provided a tool for the powerful and a crutch for the less fortunate masses emerging from the darkened woods. It is hard for people to let go of things that have worked (to whatever extent) in the past....thus we have conservatism and therefore Christianity. Very hard to let go of indeed.
... written by Bow Tox , April 20, 2011 - 07:32 am
To Gaius Cilnius Maecenas...Zzzzzzzzzz...All the air traffic controllers who have fallen asleep were reading you at the time. You need to take full blame for this problem.
... written by LAFAYETTE NATIVE RESIDING IN CA , April 20, 2011 - 08:23 am
Gaius Cilnius Maecenas, I too believe that intelligent life exist elsewhere. Though I could not explain it as well as you have, I believe they have visited us in the past.
Eric von Daniken has a mind blowing series on The History Channel where he exposes drawings in ancient caves that reveals figures in space suits, drawings that depict aircrafts, etc.
I'd rather associate with aliens than humans any day.
... written by Gaius Cilnius Maecenas , April 20, 2011 - 01:58 pm
Lafayette Native:
Erich Anton Paul von Däniken (born, 1935) is technically and literally insane. He has been in and out of mental institutions.
He is also a thief: A 2004 article in Skeptic Magazine states that Däniken plagiarized many of the book's concepts from The Morning of the Magicians, that this book in turn was heavily influenced by the Cthulhu Mythos, and that the core of the ancient astronaut theory originates in H. P. Lovecraft's short stories "The Call of Cthulhu" written in 1926, and "At the Mountains of Madness" written in 1931.
I am shocked that History Channel would parade his nonsense!
... written by LAFAYETTE NATIVE RESIDING IN CA , April 20, 2011 - 02:14 pm
WOW, Gaius Cilnius Maecenas, you sure know how to burst a guys bubble, lol.
I'll do some research. Thanks.
... written by Gaius Cilnius Maecenas , April 20, 2011 - 02:44 pm
Lafayette Native:
I am embarrassed. I failed to quote the source-text of my comment on Herr von Daniken's literary thievery; it was Wikipedia.
Plagiary has become the disease and vice of our Age. It was simple sloth on my part. However, it is still inexcusable in a man who loves learning! I apologize to the editors here.
... written by LAFAYETTE NATIVE RESIDING IN CA , April 20, 2011 - 03:33 pm
Thanks, I'll take a look see. Maybe you're right because if this were true, it would be breaking news on every channel that ancient caves depicts people from other planets.
... written by TOKEALOTA , April 20, 2011 - 11:59 pm
Ga Laf. Native , how slow are you , If our government who is directed by the "7 wanted to educate you as to how and why the earth turns, among other oddities which the ancients from other planets have educated a select few of us, you would have been chosen to participate in the NEW WORLD OUTSET, which I have just informed everyone as being the true wording of the N W O. Oh, and the ancients asked me to inform you, that they also love " Fried Chicken, and that it is not a racially monopolized staple, as is "KOSHER FOODS" * Watermelon. Also I'm glad you and Maescan't are bonding, Maecan't was lonely in that cold ward. I myself have learned the reason we are here, and when we will no loner be here, and where we will be taken.
... written by Gaius Cilnius Maecenas , April 21, 2011 - 08:41 pm
TOKEALOTA:
Are you mentally stable? Do you possess the capacity to express a coherent thought, or a series of lucid, well-constructed sentences? "I myself have learned..." from whom, when & where? "...when we will no *loner ["longer" (I presume you meant to write)] be here" What time-line or chronological "chronotope" [linear directional divine time] do you claim? And, finally, "where we will be taken." What is the concrete referent for your pronoun "we" ? Furthermore, what is the place? And lastly, Who will be doing the taking?
I suggest you know none of these answers, TOKEALOTA. In fact, you are incapable of depositing even a mild conjecture, as to an answer, for any of these series of questions, I have proposed to you!
... written by Gravois , April 22, 2011 - 09:34 pm
Let's teach science in science class and religion in religion class, okay?
That was easy!
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