News -> INDReporter WED, NOV 2 3:37PM by Walter Pierce

Appeals court sides with educator over school board

The 3rd Circuit Court of Appeal has reversed a Lafayette district court judge’s ruling in favor of the Lafayette Parish School Board and sided with an assistant principal whose 2-year contract renewal was cut in half at the recommendation of Superintendent Burnell Lemoine.

The ruling sends the case of Sherry Julian-Robinson versus LPSB back to district court in Lafayette for further proceedings.

According to the court ruling, Julian-Robinson, a tenured teacher in the Lafayette Parish School System, was promoted to assistant principal of Live Oak Elementary in 2006 — a position in which she currently remains. The initial promotional contract was for two years, a time period prescribed by state law. Her contract was renewed for two years in 2008, again for the state minimum of two years. However, during the 2009-2010 school year — one year into that second renewal, according to the appellate court’s ruling — Lemoine recommended the contract renewal be for only one year “as a result of several areas listed as ‘need[ing] improvement’ on her performance evaluation for that year.”

The school board acquiesced to Lemoine’s recommendation and cut the contract renewal in half. Julian-Robinson took the board to court, but Judge Thomas Duplantier sided with the board.

The three judges on the 3rd Circuit panel led by Chief Judge Ulysses Thibodeaux unanimously disagreed:

While the LPSB may have discretion in negotiating contract lengths for terms between two and four years, that discretion simply does not extend to allow it to offer a contract for a term of less than two years. Any new, renewal, or other following contract should have been for two to four years as mandated by [state law].

Accordingly, Mrs. Julian-Robinson has clearly stated a cause of action against LPSB and the trial court was incorrect in ruling otherwise. Therefore, we hereby reverse the decision of the trial court and remand this case for further proceedings in accordance with our rulings.

Read the full 3rd Circuit ruling here.


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written by ragin_cajun , November 03, 2011 - 12:07 am
Why do teachers get contracts that are proscribed in length by law? Why can't teachers work as long as they dona good job, and get fired whenever their employer can show cause....you know, like the rest of us work.
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written by NORTHSIDIAN SHOTGUN , November 03, 2011 - 02:48 am
Because "TEACHERS can only teach they cannot do..... work like you and I. Some peeps teach and some peeps "WORK !
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written by Layne St.Julien , November 03, 2011 - 03:18 am
1) the contract in question is not a teacher's contract -- it's an administrator's contract. 2) employees of businesses frequently sign employment contracts also.

And just as with employees of businesses, school employees CAN be fired if they do a poor job. This case has gone to court because the sides are disagreeing about whether the firing was justified -- and this happens with private businesses and their employees, too.
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written by James Melancon , November 03, 2011 - 12:31 pm
by Layne St.Julien "employees of businesses frequently sign employment contracts also."
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True but so rare to be statistically insignificant. In general, contracts are most common, at least in Louisiana, in the school system.
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written by ragin_cajun , November 03, 2011 - 05:26 pm
I stand corrected. So let me re-phrase the question. Why do some school employees get contracts that are proscribed in length by law? Why can't all school employees work as long as they do a good job, and get fired whenever their employer can show cause....you know, like the rest of us work.

Why do we need a contract, with terms prescribed by state law, for what amounts to little more than a mid-level manager, or an experienced clerical worker? Because now, if the employee does a sub-par job, or we find a better person for the job, we have to GO TO COURT to make a change, or we CAN'T make a change because there's a contract.

Maybe we decide that this particular employee is a crappy manager/principal/administrator, but we love her in the classroom. Can't move her back to teaching because she has a contract for two years?

This is the kind of government inflexibility that makes change difficult. And, I'm sure we can all agree, that (along with hope) change is a good thing, right?
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written by Farrow , November 03, 2011 - 08:49 pm
>Some peeps teach and some peeps "WORK !

I often agree with your postings, but not on this issue. Clearly you do not understand the nature of teaching. And no, I am not a teacher.
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written by ragin_cajun , November 03, 2011 - 10:16 pm
"Clearly you do not understand the nature of teaching."

I openly admit that I have a lot of questions about education, teaching, and how all of this has changed in the last 30 years. I've asked MANY questions here, and no one has EVER answered any of them.

Since you're the latest to throw out something like "you don't understand" to shut down debate, I'll go ahead and ask you this time.

What IS the nature of teaching? What is the job like? How much/little control over what is taught, how it's taught, do teachers in public schools have? How much/little control does the State of LA have? What is the biggest obstacle for teachers in the classroom? How do they deal with discipline problems? What is the policy with handicapped students right now? Are they just mainstreamed, and if so, does that mean that every teacher in a public school has to be prepared and ready to teach a class with a handicapped, learning disabled, or developmentally challenged student? If so, this was not always the case, so when did it change, and why?

What is LPSS' reason for poor performance in Lafayette schools? Is LPSS REALLY performing poorly? Perhaps it's not. How has LPSS performance varied over the years? Better or worse over time?

And who/where does the teachers' union negotiate salaries for teachers--Baton Rouge or in Lafayette directly with LPSS? Does that even go on in La.? What is the process for LPSS to fire bad teachers? Do teachers have "a contract"? What is their pension? How much of LPSS' budget is pension contributions? Do we have a Wisconsin/Ohio type budget timebomb ticking away that hasn't been made public, yet? Most other states do, how did Lafayette and Louisiana escape that?


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written by the original northsidian , November 04, 2011 - 03:13 pm
Ragin-they will never answer your questions. They just want Tax Increases to cover their tracks. They hate questions they can't spin. They probably have no idea what pension costs are. Maybe Layne St. Julien can answer, he seems to be their parrot.
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written by ragin_cajun , November 04, 2011 - 03:46 pm
I think you've got their number, northside.
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written by ragin_cajun , November 05, 2011 - 09:16 pm
So how bout it Layne? Any knowledge to share with us about the nature of teaching? The state of education?
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written by ragin_cajun , November 07, 2011 - 11:28 am
Nothing. Crickets....you were right again Northside. THIS is why public education is crumbling in America right here. It's become nothing more than something for adults to argue about--an ideological football and a cash cow. Nobody really wants to talk about education.
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written by the original northsidian , November 07, 2011 - 12:32 pm
Ragin: They just want to talk abt maximizing their retiree benefits, drop, rehire, etc. Then ask for more taxes to cover the cost! Ask any gum't employee, they can tell u the date and time they become eligble to retire! You r right it's not abt education.
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written by ragin_cajun , November 07, 2011 - 06:37 pm
"Ask any gum't employee, they can tell u the date and time they become eligble to retire!"

I know we all say things like this to make our point. Poetic justice as it's called. But is that literally true?

Because if someone goes to work in the morning and knows that date certain in their head, that's just sad. Tell me that's not really true, that you're just saying that. Please tell me you're exaggerating...
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written by Pedro , November 08, 2011 - 01:00 pm
For the sake of information, Layne is a woman.
I don't know the answers to all of your questions, but I may be able to help.

LPSS teachers/administrators can be fired but it is a long process (can take up to 18 months if tenured) with much paper work. Most administrators don't want to start the process. Teachers have been fired, but not often.

Parents/students can voice the same complaint against the same teacher/administrator for years to no avail. The LPSB central administrators tend to "isolate" the complainers. Lemoine is great at this.

LPSS teachers are following a LPSS guide for teaching and are required to cover material chosen by the LPSS. Most of the material appears on standardized tests LPSS students are required to take.

Discipline in the schools has changed with the program implemented by Lemoine. I don't know the specifics but I believe most teachers don't like it. I believe it involves a lot of paperwork.

I think we discourage many of our great teachers by limiting how and what they teach. On the other hand, we do a great job of protecting bad teachers.

Some handicapped students are mainstreamed into classes. The students are provided with aides and interpreters to help them in the classes. In other instances, special classrooms are maintained/developed to accommodate students with disabilities unable to learn in mainstream classrooms.

In the period of the late 90s and early 2000 some of our schools had rising scores. Scores started to decline. Recent years have shown some very gradual growth with some schools stagnant.

The LPSB/LPSS remains stuck because of the politics within the system. I have never understood why a community filled with bright, educated citizens has not demanded more of public education and the LPSS administration.

There are great teachers and great academics in many of our schools. Our problem has always been the petty politics of the LPSS administrators and LPSB.





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written by the original northsidian , November 10, 2011 - 01:46 pm
What is the cost of pension benefits for the LPSB? How much will a bus driver receive in pension benefits. How much do retired employees pay for health insurance. How much do empoyees contribute to retiree benefits. Why can bus drivers participate in the drop program. Do you need to be a high school graduate to be a bus driver. Layne St.
Julien since you seem to know so much, what say you.
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