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RE.120110Wednesday, December 1, 2010

Red light cameras and speed vans are a nuisance, but the stats say they work.

I’ve been resisting the urge to write a column about the SafeSpeed/SafeLight program in Lafayette — the red light cameras and speed vans — because I’ve been nursing the unsettling feeling that doing so will hasten my transit into middle age.

After The Daily Advertiser published a well-researched analysis of the program in the Sunday paper recently, I thought, “What the hell? You’re acquiring a taste for Coors Lite anyway.”

It was good reporting by the daily and a reminder of some of the vital functions of newspapers — to get us thinking and talking about our community.

I got my first — and so far only — SafeSpeed ticket last spring while hastening my son to school. It was courtesy of a speed van, the more insidious component of the program because the vans change location almost daily. It was hiding in a parking lot on Congress Street near the public library when it got me. OK, it wasn’t hiding; it was just sitting there, passively and publicly, plain as day. I didn’t even notice the camera’s flash — I was too busy speeding, weaving in and out of traffic, eating a donut, sipping a hot coffee, fiddling with the radio and texting; it was reported to me by my son, who heaped an alarming amount of relish on my misfortune and whom I heartily cursed, as he made for a serviceable proxy speed van operator. The little son of a bitch. I proceeded to his school at the posted speed limit, wondering if the van had really gotten me.

About a month later I received in the mail a $25 ticket complete with photographs of my mug and license plate, which I paid with begrudging duty.

But despite my brush with SafeSpeed, I still support the program. And although the statistics cited in The Advertiser package reinforced that support, it already had an anecdotal foothold.

A few blocks from my house, not far from Four Corners, is the intersection of West University and Simcoe/Agnes streets. (Like dozens of agents of transportational confusion that make it hard to give out-of-towners driving directions, Simcoe/Agnes is one of those Lafayette streets that changes its name when it crosses another thoroughfare, like Johnston/Louisiana, Buchanan/Pierce, Cameron/Mudd and South College/Bertrand.) Simcoe/Agnes-University was in the first wave of intersections to be outfitted with red-light cameras, and it quickly became one of the biggest revenue generators. Before the cameras were installed, the staccato cacophony of a wreck — the screech of tires grabbing vainly at asphalt, the crash of metal, the shattering of glass and the peculiar silence that follows — was at least a twice-a-week occurrence. Nowadays it’s rare.

Yet in one of The Advertiser’s graphics I also found a telling statistic: While accidents have gone down more than 40 percent at intersections where red-light cameras have been installed, they actually increased at intersections without cameras, suggesting that motorists know not only where the cameras are and slow down accordingly, but still interpret a yellow light to mean “speed up” at the intersections where they know a camera can’t catch them. It’s as if we compensate for exercising caution at camera-equipped intersections by throwing a commensurate amount to the wind at the rest. Pavlov’s dogs we certainly are not.

So the stated intent of the program — to change driver behavior — doesn’t seem to be working as planned. Yet overall the number of wrecks in Lafayette has gone down since the program’s inception.

I have some difficulty appreciating the opposition — much of it vehement and vitriolic — to SafeSpeed. Government has a long history of protecting us from our stupid selves. It’s why we have laws setting minimum ages for alcohol and tobacco consumption, for gambling and driving. It’s why we set speed limits.

Yet many of us interpret those protections as infringements on personal liberty. And while we set speed limits for safety’s sake, we build automobiles that go twice that speed and more, and we manufacture and sell devices like radar detectors for the express purpose of breaking the law with impunity.

Shouldn’t the only people opposed to SafeSpeed be aggressive-driving jerks?

Now, if you’ll excuse me, it’s off the soap box and back to my rerun of Murder She Wrote.

Walter Pierce
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Comments (54)add
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written by Layne St.Julien , December 01, 2010 - 08:39 am
There is other legitimate opposition, Walter. My problem is in granting a private, for-profit organization policing powers over citizens. Profiteers shouldn't be handed the use of our statutes to make money off of us, even (or maybe especially) if we don't have enough police power to enforce those laws ourselves using municipal funds.

The principle involved is significant. Our police force is sworn to enforce the laws impartially and in accordance with the good of the community, and are scrutinized by their higher officers to make sure this is the case. You can't say the same of Redflex and its employees. Picture a Lafayette where other laws are turned over to for-profit policing, and the fertile possibilities of abuses there.
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written by Reporter? , December 01, 2010 - 10:04 am
Is it true - or did anyone check the accident data from the State of Louisiana? I'm told that the data the state has does not show the reduction in accidents that Lafayette claims. Are there any investigative reporters willing to actually investigate?

By the way - it's not the government's job to protect us from ourselves.......
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written by Compassionate One , December 01, 2010 - 11:12 am
I’ve been resisting the urge to write a column about the SafeSpeed/SafeLight program in Lafayette — the red light cameras and speed vans — because I’ve been nursing the unsettling feeling that doing so will hasten my transit into middle age.

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Well, I've been resisting making a POST about the subject at hand, and will continue to do so.

But, regarding middle age Walter, you will know it has happened when the hair in your ears starts growing wildly. Thus, giving you the desire to listen to talk radio!

It's inevitable.
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written by Walter Pierce , December 01, 2010 - 11:22 am
Thanks for the heads-up, Compassionate One.
Presently it's the nose hair that's getting out of control and sports talk radio is the only talk radio I listen to.
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written by Resident , December 01, 2010 - 11:34 am
I agree with Layne St. Julien. The big problem for me is that an out-of-state, even foreign, company is profiting millions from our transgressions. The red-light cameras are fine by me, but why couldn't the city-parish do this itself?

The mobile units deserve a bit more scrutiny. They were supposed to be deployed in neighborhoods to catch the idiots who speed there and put people's lives in danger. But how often do we see them on a major street like Congress instead of in neighborhoods?
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written by Constructional test it first , December 01, 2010 - 01:05 pm
Do any of you realize that we are private citizens driving in our private vehicles on our tax payer roads, which means we own the roads collectively. That means that all cameras, not just speed cameras are unconstitutional. It is unconstitutional to film a private citizens going about their private business, period, end of story.

Some of you better wake up and smell your rights going down the drain one at a time.

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written by b f , December 01, 2010 - 01:23 pm
"Our police force is sworn to enforce the laws impartially and in accordance with the good of the community, and are scrutinized by their higher officers to make sure this is the case. "

I find that argument unconvincing. The cameras are much more impartial and objective than a police officer. They don't care if the driver is a bigwig in town or a buddy or a fellow officer off duty or a cute woman in a short skirt, etc... They snap the picture based on the speed of the vehicle only.
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written by Gerald Bertholl , December 01, 2010 - 02:31 pm
I worked in traffic engineering prior to and after the first of these were installed and very few to no accurate speed studies were done PRIOR to implementation which makes subsequent 'studies' regarding speed rather suspect. As regards accidents, I also noted that the data usually provided for these 'studies' was typically very seriously flawed to being outright wrong. Don't believe me?....Remember the "we are installing these at the most dangerous locations first based upon crash data (sic)...." speech. That is until intelligent citizens started asking "Why is Pinhook Simcoe more dangerous than Ambassador Caffery?" Additionally, how about the "crashes are registered x feet from the intersection?" This is a good way to reduce accidents. Anyone who believes they can prove crashes have been reduced or believes it is true based on fact, needs to realize they have fallen into the rabbit hole of Alice in Wonderland. Follow the money.......

Wake up citizens, you are better than this.


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written by ragin_cajun , December 01, 2010 - 02:47 pm
"I have some difficulty appreciating the opposition" -- I'm not surprised. You usually DO have difficulty with positions that prioritize individual liberty over the DEMANDS of society ON the individual.

"Shouldn’t the only people opposed to SafeSpeed be aggressive-driving jerks?" Perfect example of a non sequitur--and not the literary kind.

" Government has a long history of protecting us from our stupid selves." This speaks volumes. "We" are too stupid to live free. So government must curb our freedom for our own good. So THIS week you are insulting YOURSELF along with ALL OF US?

Speak for yourself, Walter. I'M not so stupid that I need the government to protect me from myself. Neither is anybody else I know. I'm sorry if YOU are.


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written by Constructional test it first , December 01, 2010 - 03:23 pm
ragin_cajun I agree. Walter has missed the intellectual boat on several fronts.

We should never get in the way of attrition; it is the only thing that cleanses the gene pool.

This guy Walter lives in the dark. Tell me why would someone believe any study done by the very people trying to sale something, if Walter can't figure that out, well enough said.
If anyone would like to see several independent studies done and many other revelations of fraud I will gladly send the info to the IND for publication.

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written by Walter Pierce , December 01, 2010 - 03:32 pm
Again, what a joy it is to be the one who moderates comments on the site.
Constructional test it first, please send along those independent studies:
Walter Pierce
551 Jefferson Street
Lafayette, LA 70501
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written by Resident , December 01, 2010 - 03:59 pm
"...positions that prioritize individual liberty over the DEMANDS of society ON the individual."

So, ragin, speeding through neighborhoods and running red lights is "individual liberty"? Being caught for that is "demands of society on the individual"?

Is it the cameras or the traffic laws themselves?
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written by Constructional test it first , December 01, 2010 - 04:02 pm
Walter, it's been a pleasure.

I will send the info.
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written by Accident Data , December 01, 2010 - 04:09 pm
Bad Accident just happened on University at SImcoe this afternoon at the intersection where the red light cameras are. But, wait. That can't be. Becuase accidents don't happend where we have red light cameras! LOLOLOL Better check with acadian ambulance - see how many hurt people. It was realy bad. Right in front of the flower shop and the intersection.
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written by ragin_cajun , December 01, 2010 - 04:11 pm
"If anyone would like to see several independent studies done"

Is this about that guy who went in front of the council and presented several instances of faulty data in Trammel's report on accident data at intersections with cameras--about a year back? I've heard some rumors about that, but couldn't ever figure out if it was true. I looked through video of council meetings trying to find it, but never did. I just figured it never happened and I heard wrong. Can't wait to hear this.
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written by NORTHSIDIAN SHOTGUN , December 01, 2010 - 04:30 pm
ST. JULIEN, UNTIL ONE HAS LIVED UNDER AN OPPRESIVE DICTATORSHIP, THE FIRST INKLING OF A DANGEROUS POLICE STATE IS SO MINUTE THAT MOST FOLKS SHRUG OFF THE INITIAL SIGN, AND WHEN THE FIRST AND SECOND SIGN OCCUR, AND A FEW OF THE CITIZENERY OPEN THEIR EYES AND BEGIN TO REBEL, THE THIRD SIGN WHICH WAS FORTHCOMING NOW ARRIVES, AND THE SHACKLES ARE IN PLACE, AND YOU CAN KISS YOUR FREEDOM GOODBYE. THEN IT IS TOO LATE.
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written by Walter Pierce , December 01, 2010 - 04:31 pm
Thanks.
Could you maybe send a flashlight, too? It's tough living in the dark.
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written by NORTHSIDIAN SHOTGUN , December 01, 2010 - 04:42 pm
Constructional Test It First, I'M ON PINS AND NEEDLES AWAITING YOUR REPORTS ON THE MANY INDEPENDENT STUDYS DONE, PLEASE RUSH THE STUDYS AND FRAUD CASES TO THE INDY.
YOU WILL GET A GOOD CITIZEN AWARD AND A KEY TO THE CITY.
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written by ragin_cajun , December 01, 2010 - 05:21 pm
" that guy who went in front of the council and presented several instances of faulty data in Trammel's report "

Has anybody else ever heard of this incident, or am I the only one? If somebody else has heard of it, I'll go look around for it. Walter? You've probably attended every council meeting for the last 2-3 years--you ever heard of anybody doing that? Who were they? Somebody credible?
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written by Lafayette Resident , December 01, 2010 - 07:10 pm
The problem with the speed van program is that someone is making a profit off of it. When you have people making a profit off of punishing people then it is only a matter of time before they begin to try and improve their income.

Safespeed aka RedFlex has been busted and fined for fudging their cameras to increase their profits. It's not about if these jerks will screw us, it's when.

The very least the city could do is take it out of the hands of these scumbags and put it into the hands of our police department.
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written by ragin_cajun , December 01, 2010 - 08:13 pm
"many other revelations of fraud "

well, there's the time the girl in Arizona got caught notarizing tickets on the same day they were issued in Lafayette. That's fraudulent, right? So that's one...
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written by ragin_cajun , December 01, 2010 - 08:39 pm
Then there was the time the cops in Livingston had to refund over 2,000 tickets because Redflex set up some kind of illegal speed trap.... http://www.thenewspaper.com/news/27/2762.asp

That's somewhat fraudulent, isn't it?
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written by Constructional test it first , December 02, 2010 - 07:45 am
Walter,
I have gone to the site “contacts” of this rag and there is not an email address posted. If you have an email let me know, this will allow the report to get to you quicker, if not I will mail you a cd.

I want to say to you Walter that you will need more than a flash light to bring yourself out of the dark if you continue to debate this on government propaganda instead of looking at the constitutionality of this stealing form the citizens by way of a foreign government. This is so simple to see, it is wrong.

LCG has been stealing from the citizens for quite sometime. Case in point, I heard that an 18 month study was done on trash pickup, wonder where that bright idea came from and where the money went. I don’t think it takes 18 months to figure out trash pick up that was doing better then, than now. We were told that the new system would have fewer employees and be more efficient yet we got less service and the charge went up. Thanks LCG. But I digress, that is a different issue.

To be quite frank, the city attorney should be held responsible and be held accountable for all the stress and wasted money and time that the citizens have suffered. If he would have spent 18 months of research on this program he would have seen that 11 states have band this as either unconstitutional or unpalatable for what ever reason.

THIS IS ABOUT MONEY! NOT SAFETY!

BETTER DRIVER EDUCATION IS THE ANSWER. SHOW THESE KIDS THE BLOOD AND GUTS AND LET THEM KNOW THEY OR OPERATING A MACHINE THAT IS CAPABLE OF KILLING PEOPLE.

I realize that no problem involving the human variable will be 100%, but I believe this would be the best approach in the long run.

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written by Soop. , December 02, 2010 - 08:18 am
I agree with those who say the real problem is this is a private company enforcing the traffic laws. That is a recipe for disaster. What next? A company that comes into our houses and searches for illegalities? In the name of safety and saving ourselves from ourselves? Well, of course there is the 4th Amendment and all, but shouldn't that take a backseat to your personal safety? Nonsense.

I find it funny that LUS is expanding its government functions into private business but the police department is shedding its government responsibilities into private business. Both are unsettling.

All the best,

Soop
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written by Walter Pierce , December 02, 2010 - 10:09 am
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You "heard," Constructional? That's the classic first words out of the mouth of conspiracy theorists.
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written by Constructional test it first , December 02, 2010 - 10:42 am
Walter,
And those are the first defensive words out of a liberals mouth when they have no other defense.

You continue to show your ignorance, because I don’t think you are a stupid man. This is only a debat for me, nothing more or less.

Or maybe you think like all other liberals, socialist, and communist that government suppression and creating dependence on the government is the key to controlling the population.

This is not a conspiracy, it is thievery cloaked in the propaganda of safety, “a sheep in wolves clothing” so to speak. Pull the wool from over your eyes and let the light in.

I have attempted to post the report here but it is too long. Can you give me an email address to send it to.


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written by Wow , December 02, 2010 - 10:49 am
What a great topic Walter. If you hate the cameras guys and girls, just vote against Joey and the council next October.
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written by ragin_cajun , December 02, 2010 - 11:32 am
Walter --

"You "heard," Constructional? That's the classic first words out of the mouth of conspiracy theorists."

I said I heard, too. And I asked you if you knew anything about what I'd heard, you haven't answerd the question. Turns out there WAS a guy who went to a city council meeting last year and pointed out many flaws in Trammell's report on the effectiveness of red light cameras.

You're the reporter on the beat, you do this full time. So I'll ask you again. Do you remember that? Did Trammell respond to the accusations the man made against his report? If so, what was his response?


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written by Walter Pierce , December 02, 2010 - 11:41 am
ragin,
I'm not aware of any refutation of Tramel's data and haven't seen any documentation that speaks to that.
I'm up to my eyeballs right now with a cover story (that I'm sure you'll pick apart next week), so that will have to be back burner for me at present.
And Constructional, please change your name to Confrontational. My email address was provided in a previous post.
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written by ragin_cajun , December 02, 2010 - 12:10 pm
Walter --

"I'm up to my eyeballs right now with a cover story "

Fair enough. I'll go out and I'll gather more information about the incident at the City Council meeting for you. I'm pretty busy right now, too. So I understand.

As for your cover story next week--maybe I won't pick it apart if you make it a balanced and rational exposition instead of a partisan political statement. I know you can do that, and I often wonder why you don't.
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written by Walter Pierce , December 02, 2010 - 12:15 pm
O, ragin, you know I'm addicted to the partisan political statement. It's like crack.
Sadly, there's no 12-step program for my malady.
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written by Constructional test it first , December 02, 2010 - 01:28 pm
Walter,
I only see your mailing address not your email address.
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written by Resident , December 02, 2010 - 01:52 pm
I'd still like to hear from the fervent opponents what exactly the problem is. Is it just the cameras? Is it the "demands of society on the individual" of getting penalized for traffic violations? Is it the fact that an outside entity is raking in profits from our transgression?

I asked ragin_cajun a question and he ignored it. I'll ask Constructional too, since he first said that the problem is the cameras, then said the problem is a "foreign government" taking profits. I'd really like to hear an answer to the above questions, if you can do it without slogans, cliches, and ridicule.
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written by Constructional test it first , December 02, 2010 - 02:17 pm
Resident,

Mr.Walter is not posting all of my comments so I will reframe from any other responses after I answer your question.
1. Unconstitutional ENOUGH SAID, but I will sight a few more reasons that come to mind.
2. Private foreign company enforcing what is said to be “law” or ordinance, which on its face is not permissible by law.
3. You can not face your accuser. (Unconstitutional)
4. They can’t prove the apparatus is calibrated and functioning properly at the time of the picture. (Impossible to do)
5. If I can get the studies I have to Mr. Walter and if he is judicious enough to post it, you will see that accidents are actually caused by the cameras by people either, speeding up, slamming on their brakes to avoid a ticket, and flashing of light in their eyes. I have experienced this, though i was not the subject, I had to wait until the flash burn in my eyes subsisted before i could proceed, glad the light was red.
6. Fraud. Changing of the yellow light timing to produce more tickets which turns into MONEY, WHICH IS WHAT THIS IS ABOUT.



If you would like the info post your email and I will send it to you.
If not my email address is hammastone at msn.
Mr. Walter send me an email and I will copy you.

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written by Resident , December 02, 2010 - 04:11 pm
Thanks for the response. I certainly agree with points 2 and 3. However, is it entirely correct to say that you can't face your accuser? Just asking. Isn't there a way to dispute the ticket? Is the accuser technically the city-parish, or is it the private company?

Regarding #4...let's say a policeman catches you speeding with a radar gun. Are they able to prove the apparatus is calibrated and functioning properly at the time of the picture? If not, then how is RedFlex different?

I've experienced the blinding light in the eyes once from a speed van on Congress. Strangely, I did not receive a ticket in the mail. I would not have paid it anyway because I'm not going to support a private out-of-state company making money off of traffic violations.
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written by WalterT , December 02, 2010 - 04:14 pm
I enjoyed reading Mr. Pierce's column and am in agreement with him on most points. As far as collisions increasing at intersections without cameras, I am not sure of Mr. Pierce's conclusion on why this is happening without more information. For one thing, over time there is more overall traffic. So if the number of collisions go up, it could be because there is simply more traffic volume. I have also read articles about other municipalities where the opposite occurred and collisions went down at the non-camera intersections as well as the intersections with cameras.
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written by Soop. , December 02, 2010 - 04:23 pm
Say what you want about the program (and I don't like it for the reasons stated earlier), but the idea it is unconstitutional because we are "private citizens" with a right to privacy is just plain wrong. You can't drive on a public roadway and expect to remain cloaked with "privacy." The Courts, both liberal justices and conservative justices, have long ago rejected such arguments.

All the best,

Soop
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written by Kris , December 02, 2010 - 05:28 pm
A lot of good points here. I especially admire the writer for paying their ticket, no matter how begrudgingly. It's proof that for most drivers, the cameras are a simple way of reminding them of the laws that exist to keep roads safe.
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written by Huh? , December 02, 2010 - 05:47 pm
So to all of you who think this is wrong partially because a private foreign company is involved - does that mean you feel it would be OK if a private American company was running everything?

If not, then you need to remove the word "foreign" from your complaints now and forever. You're just trying to stir up people's emotions...
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written by cubuffalo , December 02, 2010 - 06:02 pm
This is definitely the right attitude about these systems. Along with increased seat belt usage, tougher dui enforcement, and better engineered cars, these systems have helped reduce traffic fatalities to their lowest levels since the 1950's.
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written by nunny , December 02, 2010 - 06:14 pm
ahhhahahaha - what a great article...i'm with you - we would definitely be sunk if the drivers manual said "speed up on yellow"
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written by Sandy Manning , December 02, 2010 - 07:02 pm
I too have noted the decrease in accidents at camera locations with increases at others - I'm more perturbed by the folks avoiding cameras cutting through my neighborhood (annoying speed bumps are probably in my future). That said, I too support the cameras since I think they do the job they were installed for.
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written by Preston R. , December 02, 2010 - 08:33 pm
Well written article, though I could do with out the profanity. I feel the same way even if I get pulled over by a cop, frustrated, irritated, defensive, but I would never seek to have the officers stop enforcing the law. Thanks for a well reasoned piece.
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written by ragin_cajun , December 02, 2010 - 09:25 pm
The unconstitutionality of the cameras, if there be any, is not right to privacy and the 4th amendment. They're unconstitutional because they deprive the accused of the right to face their accuser in open court. A police officer has to show up in court if you fight a ticket. They have to describe where they clocked you, the road conditions, their training to run a speed trap, why the radar gun is actually clocking you and not the car next to you, why their observation of your speed agreed with the radar gun's reading. This is all difficult, requires training, and, I think, is impossible to automate.

Let me explain better -- A police office with a radar gun is relying on more than just radar gun readings. They are also observing you driving, and estimating your speed and then verifying that estimate with the speed gun. Cops are well trained to do this. When they set up, they can estimate a vehicle's speed through observation without a radar gun with amazing accuracy.

I don't have a problem with LCG enforcing the law. I don't have a problem with the cameras. I have a problem with them coming in here with a half-ass shoddy process that wouldn't fly in regular traffic court, passing an ordinance that makes it all a "civil" offense to get around it, and then telling everybody who doesn't like it "tough s*&t".

If they want to do this, fine. Do it right. Train the safespeed attendants better, have them be real eyewitnesses that can testify in the ajudication process. Make the technology, and the process, good enough to stand up in traffic court so it can be used to enforce the actual STATE LAW. Submit data to LA DOTD about the SafeSpeed infractions so that it can be used in THEIR traffic studies, too.

SafeSpeed is not the problem. It's the attitude, the arrogance, and the open defiance of the community and the law that LCG--Joey Durel in particular--has flaunted since this started that is the real problem.

And another thing. One of the city councilmen got speed cameras taken out of his district?! That doesn't BOTHER you? Whether you like cameras or not, whether you like me or not, be honest with yourself and really THINK about that....what does that tell you about the attitude of YOUR government towards you and the law?

How can we possibly say this is fair, even, equal application and enforcement of the law when it's only used in some council districts and not others?


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written by debbie , December 02, 2010 - 10:31 pm
Anything to keep our streets and intersections safer!
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written by Resident , December 03, 2010 - 07:35 am
"So to all of you who think this is wrong partially because a private foreign company is involved - does that mean you feel it would be OK if a private American company was running everything?"

No, any private company running this system and making money from traffic violations is wrong. If the city-parish were wholly administering this program, I would be perfectly fine with that. The money would stay within our parish, our private information would not be passed around, and policing would remain the duty of local government instead of a corporation.

I can't understand why this issue is not brought up more. Why didn't Walter mention it?
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written by HM , December 03, 2010 - 10:30 am
Here are a few links that may help some of you who haven’t done enough research on this issue to realize that it is unconstitutional, not with standing privacy.

http://www.safespeedlafayette.com/pdf/redflex-class-action-lawsuit.pdf

http://www.safespeedlafayette.com/statistics.php

http://www.corporatecrimereporter.com/corrupt100807.htm

To answer Resident question. Accuser or witness is a "person" who has charge someone of wrong doing. I don’t believe that a camera can be a witness.

If you do dispute the ticket it is with a judicator which is being paid by Redflex revenue which would constitute a conflict of interest.

A policeman’s radar gun is calibrated at a required interval, I don’t know what the time span is, and he is the witness to the speeding.

I would like to see people do more research before agreeing or disagreeing with an issue, or giving up their right without knowing.


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written by With Walter , December 03, 2010 - 10:55 am
I'm with Walter on this one. I don't like getting a ticket an more than the next person but just because it is issued by a camera doesn't mean I violated traffic laws any less. Running red lights and speeding is ILLEGAL, no way around it. I support implementing the cameras to help our law enforcement enforce the law. Crying fowl because you don't want to take responsibility for your actions is not a winning argument. Drive responsibly.
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written by Harry Snyder , December 03, 2010 - 11:01 am
Great editorial. It's nice to see some support from the media for the cameras. I always feel safer at the intersections with them because they do help remind drivers to not blow through the light.
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written by Seda Peterson , December 03, 2010 - 12:20 pm
I absolutely agree that better driver education is essential to creating safer and more responsible drivers. My ultimate pet peeve is that people seem to forget they are operating two-ton pieces of machinery that become battle rams when in contact with other objects. As a young driver I had two wrecks, totaled my wagon twice. The first was my fault I rear ended someone who was stopping at a pedestrian crosswalk (not a signaled crosswalk at the time). I had looked at the radio for a second to change the station and before I knew had to slam on my breaks to stop. Well, I did not stop fast enough.
Anyway the point is that as drivers we have probably all been guilty of not giving enough respect to the responsibility we have as drivers and in turn have put other drivers in danger (and pedestrians!!). I feel that the cameras have forced us via the want to avoid a ticket to pay more attention to the road. Although better education and awareness is where all drivers ed should start, the cameras or police presence on the road become the reminder of this. I have a hard time appreciating the arguments others make as opponents of the cameras because of my feelings that people are simply becoming increasingly unsafe on the roads. Furthermore I had mentioned police presence as a deterrent to bad driving... well sometimes the police are guilty of poor driving habits as well, including speeding. The cameras show no mercy to a state or city vehicle.
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written by Susan M. , December 03, 2010 - 02:16 pm
It's great to see some supporters. Statistics don't lie. They really do save lives!!!
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written by NORTHSIDIAN SHOTGUN , December 06, 2010 - 08:23 am
INDY . Is it true that the cameras in River Ranch are not wired to a power source, and is it true that it is illegal ( as a traffic violation ) to ride around the public streets in a GOLF CART with an alcohol drink in a red plastic cup, whether it be in main street Lafayette, or on the streets of River Ranch ? One other question, " Is it true that there is an order from CHIEF CRAFTY that Lafayette Police Units are not to tool around on the streets of River Ranch " UNLESS THE POLICE ARE REQUESTED, to enter the River Ranch perimeter, by a resident or a business ? I heard this from a River Ranch Restaurant Owner.
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written by Bill Young , December 06, 2010 - 08:26 am
Of course they work! Why would we think that enforcing our traffic laws would fail to make our streets safer? Cameras are far more efficient and effective at deterring reckless driving so the reduction in collisions will be far higher than when we just had cops doing the job.
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written by ragin_cajun , December 06, 2010 - 10:38 am
Every ONE of you breaks a traffic law every damn day you drive. How would you like to pay a DAILY ticket? With enough enforcement, you could triple the number of traffic tickets issued by the police. You could hire 10,000 cops, put a camera at every intersection, and the accident rate would plummet.

If safety is what this is about, then put the cameras at EVERY intersection in town. At EVERY stop sign, too. Hire 1,000 more cops. If LCG isn't planning to do that by March of next year, then they just don't CARE about the safety of the citizens in Lafayette.

I think EVERY one of you would agree that if we didn't have bars, we wouldn't have many accidents, either, because there'd be MUCH less drunk driving. So let's shut down every bar in Lafayette Parish, too. Let's put 2 cop cars in the parking lot of every bar, a drunk-check before you even leave the parking lot of a bar or restaurant that serves alcohol. And the bar/restaurant owner has to pay an annual $10,000 fee to mitigate the cost of enforcement. Why not? It's for all of our own good. It's for the safety of the community. Or how bout this one -- it's for the CHILDREN!

If safety's what we all want, then LCG needs to get serious about safety and do what's ALREADY LEGAL for them to do. Why can't we have FIFTY speed vans all over town, then?

Must be SOME reason that the council hasn't done all this. There must be SOME consequence to OVER-ENFORCMENT of a law. What do you think those consequences could possibly be?

Or would you rather just look both ways before you enter an intersection? If everyone in town did that, the accident rate would plummet, too. You worried about people running red lights, then LOOK BOTH WAYS, like they taught in Driver's Ed. when you were a kid! It'd be MORE effective than cameras, it'd be cheaper, and you'd feel like you have more control over your environment than if you just left it up to the government to "ensure" your safety on the road.
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