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The problems at Acadiana Outreach Center were more pervasive than we first reported, which, it turns out, was news to us and the AOC board. By Walter Pierce

The meeting Monday morning in the conference room at the Independent office downtown started off tense. We — Editorial Director Leslie Turk, Staff Writer Heather Miller and I — sat across a table from Acadiana Outreach board member Rob Robison and newly appointed Executive Director Jill Meaux. We wanted to know why we were played for rubes in our recent cover story on the near financial collapse of Acadiana Outreach Center. In our Aug. 17 story, AOC’s financial woes came off as more or less a combination of mismanagement at its ambitious Three Graces addiction-treatment facility in Abbeville and a precipitous decline in both state funding and charitable contributions.

But on Sunday of this week in an investigation by The Advertiser’s Claire Taylor, we found out the problems at Three Graces were more grave and varied than we realized or reported two weeks earlier, including lurid accounts of sex between an AOC supervisor and a patient and misappropriation of another patient’s savings account by an AOC employee who used the misbegotten money to bankroll casino gambling and dining at restaurants — isolated accounts in the greater sweep of things, to be sure, but key facets of the story that deserved reporting. Moreover and most important, the loss of state money was due to AOC being placed on probation by the state’s Access to Recovery program for failing to report both the aforementioned sexual indiscretion and theft from a patient’s fund in a timely manner.

But Robison and Meaux insisted — and we Ind staff members walked out of the meeting believing them — that they were unaware of many of the revelations in Taylor’s report or the extent of the problems they had caused at the time we spoke with them. The Sunday Advertiser was an eye-opener for them, too.

There was nothing garden variety about the mismanagement at Three Graces — it was gross, it was negligent, it was epic. Ousted CEO Rick Newton and the non-profit’s bean counter, Richard Hinchee — an accountant hired on a contractual basis — played a shell game with AOC revenue and with the income of patients, which is held in a savings account while they’re undergoing treatment as a means of, honestly, protecting them from their addicted/recovering selves. And Newton and Hinchee evidently were so far beyond dissembling in the financial picture they painted for board members that it borders on lying. No, screw it, it was lying.

Money was improperly moved around from various accounts in an effort to meet payroll as projections for patient occupancy and the revenue it represented fell far short of projections. Yet Newton assured uneasy board members that everything would be OK, that a suspension of state funding was just that — a suspension and not a revocation — and that the funding would be restored after a little perfunctory paperwork was submitted. Dot an i, cross a t. Voila.

The Abbeville inpatient detox center was designed to be not only a self-sustaining facility, but a revenue-generator as well — a means of weaning AOC off the teat of charitable contributions, which had fallen off precipitously in the bad economy and which, like sales taxes, are a capricious source of income anyway.

Robison says he spent weeks with a CPA pouring over AOC’s books in an effort to uncover fraud. So far, none — at least no criminal fraud — has been found.

Regardless, this is egg on our face at the newspaper, I’ll reluctantly admit. We didn’t submit the public records requests. Kudos to Taylor and the daily for digging. Much of the detail reported in the daily on Sunday, had we performed our due diligence, would certainly have made it into our story, but merely as warts on an already ugly portrait of a poorly managed non-profit with goals that in retrospect were far too lofty. Yet I don’t think they would have changed our conclusion: AOC has a laudable mission and performs a necessary function in our community, if helping drug addicts deal with their addictions and move back into society is laudable, and we think it is.

Ultimately what seems to be at the bottom of the financial misery AOC is suffering right now is that it is run by a board of well-meaning, civic-minded people, most of them otherwise successful in business, who meet too infrequently and were naive about how easily a non-profit organization — especially those through which a lot of government money is funneled — can slide into dysfunction. The Lafayette Housing Authority comes to mind. Pollyanna does, too.


Walter Pierce
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written by RCajunrunner , August 31, 2011 - 06:23 am
So who thinks we should still be subsidizing the salaries and operations of NGOs with public tax dollars?

Just here in Louisiana, we've got two prime examples of them pretty much stealing money: The Jefferson Family non-profits in New Orleans and here at home, Acadiana Outreach.
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written by AOC Board in Trouble , August 31, 2011 - 10:16 am
The board's job is to know what is going on. If Robison pored over the books with the CPA for weeks then he must have known that there were problems and hid those problems from the media. Doesn't sound all that innocent. He used to have a business downtown and was on the downtown board. Seems like he bailed on both of those responsibilities when he took up with AOC.

Hopefully, companies will pay attention to this before they get duped into giving AOC more money at their palates & pate fundraiser.

Should they be trusted with a huge $15 million dollar residential development if they can't even keep their 'clients' safe from their employees?
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written by Ignorance is Bliss , August 31, 2011 - 10:16 am
Told you so - but you didn't listen......much more to come.
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written by Cracklin Patin , August 31, 2011 - 10:25 am
"We wanted to know why we were played for rubes in our recent cover story on the near financial collapse of Acadiana Outreach Center."
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Rubes! Finally you guys at the Ind confess! :-)
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written by Gaius Cilnius Maecenas , August 31, 2011 - 10:34 am
RCajunrunner:

Think through carefully why we have NGOs in the first place. It is to leverage tax payer dollars to service the vital needs in post-modern societies. Our human problems require substantial investments. Your approach would result in neglect and disregard---an insidious pretense that by pretending these societal problems do not exist we solve them or they go away.

The waste of human capital has economic impact for all of us. I personally think that our local mental health professionals (from psychiatrists, psychologists, therapists, etc. on down) are truly the heroes living in our community. It requires extraordinary personal humanity to deal effectively with the addicted population. I know I do not have the stomach for this sort of pastoral care, but I certainly admire and appreciate those many professionals who do!
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written by Layne St.Julien , August 31, 2011 - 11:40 am
Runner, it's a disgrace when people don't deal responsibly with money, as has happened here, and people who had no hand in it end up holding the bill. The point you miss, though, is that exactly this happens in private enterprise all the time.

Businesses are mismanaged, stolen from, scammed, etc. -- and you, as customer or client, most definitely pay for it when you do business with them. You'll never know about it in these cases, though, because the businesses won't advertise the fact that you're not only paying their costs and profits, but you're also paying for their mistakes, mismanagement and misfortunes as well.

In cases of public money, the press often finds out about the problems and reports them to us so we can take steps to rectify the situation. With private business, with few exceptions, you seldom get that information. You just keep on paying and paying, oblivious.
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written by ragin_cajun , August 31, 2011 - 12:03 pm
"why we have NGOs in the first place. It is to leverage tax payer dollars to service the vital needs in post-modern societies."

That's the intention, yes. The problem is that it's not happening. The tax dollars are being spent, but the vital needs aren't being serviced.

Can we all agree on that?


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written by ragin_cajun , August 31, 2011 - 12:10 pm
"You just keep on paying and paying"

Until another business comes into the market and provides the same service at a lower price. Inefficient and poorly managed companies go out of business in a free market.
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written by realitycheck , August 31, 2011 - 12:18 pm
Billing for services not rendered to obtain tax money doesn't seem like a crime to Mr. Robison? Really? Would anyone on the Board actually take the position that there is any more to it and/or admit it publicly? Why ask Robison? Black's Law Dictionary definition is "Deceitful conduct designed to manipulate another person to give something of value by (1) lying, (2) by repeating something that is or ought to have been known by the fraudulent party as false or suspect or (3) by concealing a fact from the other party which may have saved that party from being cheated. The existence of fraud will cause a court to void a contract and can give rise to criminal liability. Would the FBI or OIG share that opinion?

And now that you're admitting that you were duped on this issue, are you going to continue to believe that this is an isolated incident? What about the JDV failing to mention Property Value and Rent Controls for 30 years? What about Gachasin being the developer, but ooops, come to think of it, AOC gets $750K as developer? Does Gachassin also get $750? Have either Gachassin or AOC ever committed in writing who is the real "target population" ultimately for the JDV rather than just suggesting vaguely what it "might" be? Or "might" it be a "Home First" project when AOC takes over and we "might" have 72 units filled with addicts?
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written by Layne St.Julien , August 31, 2011 - 12:28 pm
No they don't, Ragin' Cajun. They just raise their prices, call their widget "new and improved," and sell it to you for more money.

Then, when their competitors see those inflated prices, they raise their prices also. Customers, convinced that one widget's price must be fair because it's 7 cents cheaper than the other widget hanging there on the hook at the Wal-Mart (never mind that they're BOTH overpriced), swallow it hook, line and sinker. All of which enables BOTH CEO's to buy new vacation homes the likes of which 99% of us customers will never be able to afford.

I think buying into that tired old "the market will provide best" line is quite naive in this day and age. Analyses of the disparity between the wealthiest and the average citizen have demonstrated this time and again.

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written by ragin_cajun , August 31, 2011 - 12:49 pm
Well, I think buying into that tired old "evil rich" line is quite naive in this day and age.

But hey, if you think people get rich selling an inferior product, or running inefficient companies, then why don't YOU do it?

Why can't you be a CEO and buy a new vacation home that no one else can afford? If that's what's bothering you.
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written by Compassionate One , August 31, 2011 - 12:50 pm
Please overlook their deceit! Afterall they meant well.

Nothing else really matters. Does it?


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written by RCajunrunner , August 31, 2011 - 12:57 pm
"The point you miss, though, is that exactly this happens in private enterprise all the time.

Businesses are mismanaged, stolen from, scammed, etc. -- and you, as customer or client, most definitely pay for it when you do business with them."

Difference is, I can CHOOSE which of those products or services by those private companies to spend my money on, that is, unless, government also subsidizes those with my tax dollars.

In the case of government subsidizing NGOs, whether private companies or non-profits, I get no choice. The IRS basically holds a gun to your head, forcing payment of your "rightful share" of your hard-earned income to government. In the case of local governments, go ahead and don't pay your taxes on property you "own", and tell me what happens.

Then government takes that money to subsidize NGOs, some of which are stealing those public tax dollars for their own benefit.
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written by Pawn in the game of life , August 31, 2011 - 01:04 pm
There is one comon denominator in all of this Greg Gachassin. First he used Lafayette Housing and with him being past board chairman of Louisiana Housing Finance, got a tax credit project ($500,000 Consulting fees). Then he gets John Ford (who I was told is under investigation for fraud to get another tax credit project Angel Cove. Then he is using AOC as a means for another tax credit project. It seems everyone he touches is involved in some kind of fraud. He can only hide for so long. Someone will connect the dots and then we will see the true picture. He will make all the other frauds pocket change in comparison.
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written by krista fontenot , August 31, 2011 - 01:18 pm
hey Ignorance is Bliss... Thanks.
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written by Gaius Cilnius Maecenas , August 31, 2011 - 01:25 pm
To Layne St. Julien:

My God! My Lady! You must have written too much sense and truth---the usual characters had to come out of their dens and caves to attack your aristocratic sentiments.

Of course, those of us who actually have read the historical economic record of the last two centuries in American and European cultures could easily confirm your lucid observations. But then, you are not a hate-merchant; you are a quiet, truthful person. Your observations enrich our common communal humanity here in Lafayette, Louisiana!
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written by realitycheck , August 31, 2011 - 01:33 pm
"Please overlook their deceit! Afterall they meant well. "

Surely, you jest!! It took a really long time for the Vatican and even The Pope to realize that they could not overlook the fact that pedophilia is a crime and not simply some moral failing on the part of the priest, whom it controlled and was ultimately liable for. The priests went to jail and the Vatican paid lots of $$ despite their being "well intended". Hiding behind the cloth of Christianity is no excuse for wrong doing. The downtown community is weary of the claims of "Christianity" in refusing reform and protecting the rights of property owners in the area to not be the fairgrounds to free roaming criminals, often from other states, just to keep them in business.
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written by Layne St.Julien , August 31, 2011 - 01:53 pm
Ragin, being a CEO doesn't interest me, nor does owning a luxurious vacation home. What I don't like is paying for someone else's luxurious vacation home (and I'm using this as shorthand, of course, for the class of people who are hoarding the nation's wealth at this moment). Perhaps you don't have a problem paying too much mark-up so that someone else may live in extravagant luxury. To each his own.

Runner, if you think you truly have a "choice" because you can buy goods from Company A or Company B, you've become exactly the creature that both those companies want you to become: the unquestioning consumer. They're delighted to tap into the money stream that flows from you as a result. And while you may get into imagining some IRS guy holding a gun to your head, I see government support of NGO's as one of the mechanisms by which each of us give just a little, but end up with resources for our community which are greater than any of us could afford alone.


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written by Been There , August 31, 2011 - 02:21 pm
You are in agreement with the mission of AOC which is to help those in their addiction. According to the new CEO, Three Graces was a disgrace. How can a place who saved my life be a disgrace. I was a disgrace to my self and others before I went to Abbeville. When I say saved my life that's a true statement from my heart. It also saved others. We returned to our families, our communities with a total new life. Ms. Meaux the newspaper admitted their mistake, you owe us an apology for making such a disgraceful statement, and you need to review your own mission and AOC purpose.
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written by Know Better , August 31, 2011 - 02:31 pm
Yyou are still being duped. You left your meeting thinking they got honest with you. No they were not. It's August, almost September and P and P is around the corner. I guess they are still liars and manipulators. First he couldn't find any mistakes, now it's the clients money and it's someone elses fault. Poor board, they were lied to, now they are the liars. Why doesn't the board board up AOC.
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written by Truthful , August 31, 2011 - 02:41 pm
Ms. Miller, you need to investigate the counselor who is still there who attempted to solicit a client for sex. According to the article from the newspaper, they let the other staff go. Any other agency all you need is the allegation. Being that they have a history of these allegations, would it not have been in the best interest of the clients and the staff to let that staff go also. What's wrong with this place. Was this reported to the state on time or they still waiting. This person has a record - that would be a criminal one. I use to hear such great things about this place from church members. They need to get honest and stay honest.
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written by FBEYE , August 31, 2011 - 02:48 pm
There is only one solution. Shut down Acadiana Outreach. They are just a well organized money grab. They don't help the homeless, addicts or anyone. But, they do help themselves don't they? If anyone is really surprised by all of this then they are just fools. The evidence has been there ALL along. So what do we have here really? Is it just a bunch of criminal managing a bunch of poorer criminals? Of course ALL on OUR dime. At least with private industry it's private money. Layne acts like it's her money and her business. When you say PRIVATE company - then that's what it is Layne - PRIVATE. But, when you use PUBLIC taxpayer money - then and only then do you get to have an opinion about it. So your bizarre comparasion doesn't hold any water. SHUT THEM ALL DOWN and stop giving taxpayer money to NGO's.
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written by kc , August 31, 2011 - 03:08 pm
I find the continued use of the term "bean counter" by your paper to refer to someone in the accounting profession to be offensive. Perhaps we should start refering to journalists as "hacks".
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written by Walter Pierce , August 31, 2011 - 03:20 pm
kc,
Trust me, I'm referred to as a hack with robust frequency.
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written by Gaius Cilnius Maecenas , August 31, 2011 - 03:38 pm
To the Group:

Let's keep our focus on the Addicted Community! Any bright ideas here as to how to turn these lives around? As I have learned from too many addicts I have known over the years, "Recovery is a very slow, painful journey." Many do not even seek help, until health issues arise.

In the great scheme of things, I concur with the editorial judgment expressed in the second to last paragraph. Wrong doing had been detected eventually. Trial and error is still our best course of action to improve a situation. Are we not fortunate to have the Acadiana Outreach Center? I think our community is better for it!

When you point your finger at your fellow man, remember, three fingers are pointing back at you!
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written by ragin_cajun , August 31, 2011 - 03:57 pm
"Perhaps you don't have a problem paying too much mark-up so that someone else may live in extravagant luxury. "

So who exactly are you talking about, Layne? All this "mark up" stuff is nothing more than your poor estimation of the cost of goods in the marketplace. If you really believe there is some "mark up", then pick any product that is marked up, produce it yourself for less mark up, and enjoy the rewards. Sitting here wishing it were so, and offering no more evidence for it than your repeatedly saying it is so doesn't actually make it true.

"hate-merchant" This from a person who calls Capitalists racists.
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written by ragin_cajun , August 31, 2011 - 04:02 pm
"I find the continued use of the term "bean counter" by your paper to refer to someone in the accounting profession to be offensive."

Dude, where have you been? This paper routinely uses much worse insults against ideological oppoonents and has for the entire 2 years I've been watching it. If you came here for responsible discourse and coverage of public events, you've got a rude awakening coming.

They'll occassionally cut into the rich, too. I've even seen this paper insult its very own readers!
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written by realitycheck , August 31, 2011 - 04:10 pm
Been There: God Bless You and anyone who has come through your addictions and been restored! Best of luck to you!! Try not to take it personally.

While no doubt, some people have been helped by this organization and many, many other agencies like for instance, St. Francis Foundation, I would agree that they should be shut down. They grew too big and were a large burden to the surrounding community for the way that they operated. Requests for tighter controls, particularly in the area of security have long been ignored. Now, with all of this financial craziness and disregard of regulations and procedures, they really have absolutely no credibility. I resent any of my tax money going to this agency. There are other agencies in this town which will cotinue their good works and they are more responsive to neighborhood issues. Smaller & scattered sites would better serve this community.
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written by Walter Pierce , August 31, 2011 - 04:28 pm
ragin, we don't consider accountants to be ideological opponents. In fact, we're rather fond of accountants: They keep tabs on the gobs of filthy, ill-gotten moolah we make raking the muck around here.
kc, my apologies for use of the term -- I meant no disrespect, but frankly this mea culpa is as much about perturbing ragin_cajun's blood pressure as it is about ameliorating your chagrin.
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written by krista fontenot , August 31, 2011 - 05:21 pm
no chance of them hiding and shredding docs, is there? anybody watching for that?

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written by Gaius Cilnius Maecenas , August 31, 2011 - 06:14 pm
[R]agin_cajun:

I am beginning to wonder if you actually understand capitalism. This is proving to be a bad day for you, so I do not wish to add to it. But we really do have serious problems in this society, and a correct appealment of values that enrich the larger group is becoming more and more of a necessity. We have to work together to solve these problems.

You had asked me to recommend another good book for you to read. Our present unemployment situation in this country is its top priority.

You cannot solve a problem, if you don't understand how it arose in the first place.

I would suggest you read, "The Wealth and Poverty of Nations: Why Some are so Rich and Some so Poor" by David S. Landes (Professor Emeritus of History and Economics at Harvard University), (W. W. Norton & Company, 1998) 650 pp. I picked up a copy at a second-hand bookstore, and had to pay only $5.00 for my copy. What it teaches is that when a society takes its wealth to invest in other countries to maximize that society's many firms' business profits, these firms are not re-investing their profits in the society that was the source of those firms' initial profits. The end result is horrible poverty for that once rich society. Spain is the classic example of this stupidity. Great Britain made the same mistake in the late 18th century and early 19th century. One must draw a sharp distinction between a "Main Street" economy and a "Financial Economy." A financial economy only benefits a few. It is an artifical economy. We do not eat paper money or gold coins, do we? However, we do use these items in our commercial transactions.

After you have read this brilliant treatise written in an engaging prose style, I will be interested in your feedback.

By the way, did you read all the footnotes in Dr. Sam Harris' treatise, "The Moral Landscape." I read it three times to internalize his many observations, especially, noting his extensive footnotes---where his real genius is demonstrated as a philosopher.

Later, I think all of us should have a discussion about the role of Derivatives in our global Financial economic system (requires competence in Partial Differential Equations in Higher Mathematics). After all, there is a global $350 Trillion Dollars leveraged on top of an actual $55 Trillion Dollars actual cash system. To put this global wealth in perspective, the world generates around $44 Trillion Dollars per year (2009 numbers). Remember, under President Bush around 2008, our society lost $12 Trillion Dollars (we went from $62 Trillion Dollars to $50 Trillion Dollars). Just the Middle Class lost $One Trillion Dollars in their 401Ks.

I mention these boring details, since we require at least $5 Trillion Dollars's investment to restore the damage done to our society by misguided Republican financial policies under the Bush presidency, if we are going to get our people back to work! Don't forget someone stole that money, we need to get it back.
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written by ragin_cajun , August 31, 2011 - 09:28 pm
Gaius--

Read it. One of these cheesy popular economics type books you see in airport bookstores. That's where I bought my copy. The book was an attempt to explain why some countries were able to build successful economies and some weren't. It went over theories of the past, like climate and latitude, which was interesting--colder northern countries have been much more successful than hotter equatorial countries. As I recall, Landes settles on cultural traits to explain it.

I don't remember any of the nonsense you're spewing.

I have quite a bit of experience with options, commodities, and DE, so I'd be glad to discuss derivatives so long as you can control your outbursts and refrain from calling me a racist.
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written by realitycheck , September 01, 2011 - 06:45 am
misguided Republican financial policies under the Bush presidency

That would include funding to NGOs which needs to stop!!
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written by Gaius Cilnius Maecenas , September 01, 2011 - 01:50 pm
[R]agin_cajun:

Professor Landes' book is not a "cheesy popular economics type books." It is a serious treatise, and it had a dramatic impact on boardrooms. Much as Jared Diamond's two books, "Guns, Germs, and Steel" and "Collapse."

Your observations on Landes' book are correct. That was in it also. I am going to re-read it, so his arguments are fresh in my mind. Glad to see we have another book in common.

Happy to see you have a working knowledge of the Derivative Market. Have you read any papers published by the AMA [American Mathematical Association]? That is where I acquired my first superficial understanding of it.

I would appreciate any comments from you as to its scope, economic impact, and what societal value it contributes to the global-local economy. Also, besides Partial Differential Equations, is there any other branches of higher mathematics that it makes use of?

In serious economic matters (not Economic Historians discussing past economic matters), I rely on Professor Nouriel Roubini's RGE up-dates sent to my e-mail account. I just read his "Globl Financial Crisis 2.0: How to Rescue Capitalism" (August 12th, 2011). Whom do you consider competent in these matters? Or, at least worth one's reading?

And most importantly, What would you propose to get our American people back to work? Twelve million Americans out of work; Ten million under-employed or not looking for work any more. Having 22 million people idle is an extraordinary waste of human capital! Should we just let them starve to death, or commit suicide due to dispair, to feed our financial economic investment model.
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written by Ben , September 01, 2011 - 08:14 pm
Walter, if you want the rest of the story. Check out the campain donations from Greg to local candidates.
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written by ragin_cajun , September 02, 2011 - 08:24 am
Landes' book was written for the public at large, for the layperson. That is what I meant, and what I probably should have said. That the book had an effect on boardrooms is not impressive to me, as I think "boardrooms" harbor some of the dullest minds our country has to offer--little better than the halls of Congress.

Roubini also writes for the pubic at large. Nothing wrong with that so long as the reader sees it for what it is. Some of my favorite economists wrote famous works for the layperson that are more relavent today than ever -- Milton Friedman's Free to Choose, F.A. Hayek's The Road to Serfdom.

I'd HIGHLY recommend reading/watching/listening to the lectures and classes available for free at mises.org to understand free markets, capitalism, collectivism, central planning, and economics.

What I would propose to get people "back to work"? My answer is two fold. Let me approach it using Roubini's work as a guide since that is who you would probably give the most credence to. I don't think you're ready to consider free markets and individual liberty as a solution, yet.

Roubini, in Crisis Economics, lays out the modern tools available to policy makers to deal with crises--easing, stimulus, backing, bail-outs, etc. He explains that there is no "free lunch", how these tools "come home to roost" in an economy later on. Roubini says that at some point, the cure becomes as bad as the disease--my words--and he describes how this happened to Japan. Either debt raises interest rates and depresses business, or central bank "monetizing" devalues the currency and inflates prices. This isn't speculative, or exotic, it's a fair statement of fact from Roubini.

So as a government "policy maker", or more accurately, "central planner" as they were called in the past, I think it's time to stand up and say publicly that we have come to a point in the US where government policy is out of bullets.

Look at what Bush and Obama have done, and tell me what more CAN they do? QE3? Another stimulus deal? Forgive all the home loans? FORCE companies to hire, to expand? US debt levels are too high to "finance" more of this. Even if we could, the payments later down the road would cause stagflation or hyper-inflation.

As an individual, me personally, I can tell you what I do to get our American people back to work. I hire them. I started a business two years ago, in the midst of the greatest economic crisis of a lifetime, and it is profitable. I hire people. I train them to deal with "high tech" communications equipment, and I try to show them what their true value is as an employee. They have all moved on to higher paying jobs.

My national competitors have received stimulus money so they can continue to produce an inferior product yet stay in business. Congress is currently considering legislation that would drastically increase my cost of doing business. Federal regulations prevent me from expanding my business to enter new markets.

So if government wants ME to hire more and grow my business, best thing they could do is deregulate and stop giving tax dollars to my competitors.

Although a bit off topic, perhaps this unemployment problem is to be expected. We've seen 15 years of INCREDIBLE technological change in the workplace with computers and internetworking. Productivity gains measured by BLS certainly confirm this. Maybe easy credit, tax cuts, and other stimulative gimmicks in the Clinton and Bush years delayed the inevitable unemployment caused by such sudden and drastic technological innovation?

Also, unemployment and surplus cash on the sidelines will eventually lead to economic growth--Schumpeter's Creative Destruction concept. This WILL happen, if, as Roubini points out, the government has the discipline to not be stampeded into ever more debilitating episodes of deficit spending under the guise of "stimulus", "easing", "transfer payments".

As for letting people "starve to death" or "commit suicide"...why don't we leave this kind of hyperbole out the discourse, and keep it serious and thoughtful?
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written by Gaius Cilnius Maecenas , September 02, 2011 - 01:29 pm
[R]agin_cajun:

Wonderful, lucid observations! Kudos to you for putting some people to work! You were thoughtful enough to frame your response to me vis-a-vis Roubini, for that I thank you. I had read one of Milton's books (I forget which one) that one of my brothers had given me to read. I have never read any books written by Friedrich August von Hayek. I should have, since he won the Nobel Prize in Economics in 1974. I need to read his book, "The Fatal Conceit." It is not commonly known, but Hayek was fundamentally an epistemologist. And with you, I concur with his philosophical defense of moral and institutional conservatism as against rationalistic reformers, and, obviously, monitored free markets, as against command economics, that he asserts, interferes inefficiently with the flow of economic information within a society.

Also, I had to read in my young university years, one book by Joseph Schumpeter (which I also forget what it's title was.

And super thanks for the www.mises.org link. I am of ancestral Austrian bloodline, so Ludwig Heinrich Edler von Mises (1881-1973) has always been on my radar. I will explore more cogently academic papers presented by the Austrian School of Economics. I still need to read his books, "Liberalismus" (1927) and "Human Action: A Treatise on Economics (1949). As I am sure you know, he was a member of the Vienna Circle.

What do we do with these 22 million human beings---simply pretend they don't exist? Issue vapid pious platitudes as to how sad their plight is? Wait twenty years until our economy is growing again?

P.S. Do you post here when you are in your cups? Here you are charming, sincere and lucid. In other postings, repulsive, nasty, illiterate and accusatory. How do you explain this in your behavior?
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written by NORTHSIDIAN SHOTGUN , September 03, 2011 - 09:35 am
Gauis, your kudos to our fellow misguided poster, sir ragin-cajun, are really reflective of a deep seated repulsiveness towards mankind, if I may ask, have you ever seeked treament at AOC, suh ?
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written by ragin_cajun , September 03, 2011 - 06:30 pm
Nah, Gaius. Richard Von Mises was the positivist, member of the Vienna Circle, and younger brother to Ludwig. Ludwig was the Austrian school economist. Richard was an engineer/physical scientist, cold logic and positivism type mind. But Ludwig was certainly the intellect in that family, which is saying a lot. The dumbie in that family was still a mental giant. I think Ludwig and Richards father was also an academic, too. So the brothers were raised around books, culture, intellectual conversation, seeing an adult earn a living from education.
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written by NORTHSIDIAN SHOTGUN , September 03, 2011 - 09:07 pm
I think Gauis and ragin cajun have connected, I wonder whose on " first ?
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written by Gaius Cilnius Maecenas , September 06, 2011 - 03:34 pm
[R]agin_cajun:

I stand corrected about Ludwig Heinrich Edler von Mises being a member alongside of his brother in the Vienna Circle. I thought there were two brothers involved, in which one brother left. I thought it was they. My treatise on "Logical Positivism" published by Free Press evidently has not made its way back into my classical library (where I thought I had read it).

This reply to you, will permit me to give the link that I wanted to give (you had already given the www.mises.org link), namely, http://mises.org/etexts/austrian.pdf (six pages). The general readership here can see how many Frenchmen have contributed to our historical economic studies.

Now I want to hear about your lucid insights on the Derivative market. Can you be equally brilliant? How is your lovely wife doing? I wanted you to ask her some questions about her late learned father from a previous posting.

Lastly, I observed with pleasure that Richard von Mises took his undergraduate degree in Latin & mathematics! Classical language scholarship and mathematics seem to be deadly in forming a first-rate intellect!
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